From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.3 Received: from mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.82]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9CEBBC1 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:14:25 +0100 (CET) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwCAKOP10fAXQInh2dsb2JhbACDI41PAQEBCAopgQ2Veg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,488,1199660400"; d="scan'208";a="9338672" Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by mail1-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2008 16:14:24 +0100 Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m2CFEJtV016065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:14:24 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwCAKOP10dQW+UCh2dsb2JhbACDI41PAQEBCAopgQ2Veg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,488,1199660400"; d="scan'208";a="8308478" Received: from main.gmane.org (HELO ciao.gmane.org) ([80.91.229.2]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2008 16:14:24 +0100 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JZSeq-0004YM-RQ for caml-list@inria.fr; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:14:20 +0000 Received: from ks300734.kimsufi.com ([91.121.65.225]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:14:20 +0000 Received: from sylvain by ks300734.kimsufi.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:14:20 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: caml-list@inria.fr From: Sylvain Le Gall Subject: Re: what's in the future for ocamlbuild? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1ef034530803112157m3bb804f4w6723252a84c2ec62@mail.gmail.com> <20080312115940.GA16816@capsaicin.mamane.lu> <20080312120506.GA1078@snarc.org> <20080312143831.GA1893@snarc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ks300734.kimsufi.com User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl2 (Debian) Sender: news X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 47D7F34B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; le-gall:01 programmer's:01 lgpl:01 5.1:98 authoring:98 gpl:01 gpl:01 wrote:01 wrote:01 btw:03 contributors:03 gnu:03 gnu:03 let:03 sentence:04 On 12-03-2008, Vincent Hanquez wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 02:22:26PM +0000, Sylvain Le Gall wrote: >> Most of the GPL stuff are copyright FSF, which is indeed not legal in >> France. Following what you say, almost the full GNU tools suite is not >> legal in France > > what kind of logic is that ? Don't look for logic -- we are already talking about law which you can take as "axiom" ;-) Maybe, i don't have made a very "logic" sentence. It was just to say something like "every piece of GNU software written by french people are out-of-law". But i am not a lawyer, so only take this as "I think" or "I have heard somewhere that". > copyright assignment can be legal in others countries [1], that's > doesn't means the software becomes illegal when use in France. > In fact copyright assignement is legal in France, if you state every author right you assign. Let takes an example. Cecill is a french license that is good regarding IP in France. Cecill: http://www.cecill.info/licences/Licence_CeCILL_V2-fr.html IP in France: http://www.guideinformatique.com/fiche-droit_dauteur_sur_les_logiciels-721.htm If you read carefully, you will see that "in french" some rights are given (Art 5.1 of Cecill): - "la reproduction permanente ou provisoire du Logiciel" - "le droit de traduire, d'adapter, d'arranger ou d'apporter toute autre modification au Logiciel" - "Le droit de distribution comporte notamment le droit de diffuser, de transmettre et de communiquer le Logiciel au public sur tout support et par tout moyen And in IP law: Droits patrimoniaux # la reproduction permanente ou provisoire d'un logiciel # la traduction, l'adaptation, l'arrangement ... Even if in the spirit the GPL doesn't prevent this, it is not written exactly in the good term (remember, we are talking about law). > btw not most GPL stuff are copyrighted FSF. FSF encourages people using GPL to give away their copyright for a better "defense" of OSS. I.e. if something goes wrong FSF has the right to defend the case. Extract from "Why the FSF gets copyright assignments from contributors" http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/why-assign.html "In order to make sure that all of our copyrights can meet the recordkeeping and other requirements of registration, and in order to be able to enforce the GPL most effectively, FSF requires that each author of code incorporated in FSF projects provide a copyright assignment, and, where appropriate, a disclaimer of any work-for-hire ownership claims by the programmer's employer. That way we can be sure that all the code in FSF projects is free code, whose freedom we can most effectively protect, and therefore on which other developers can completely rely." But indeed, this is for FSF related project (i was talking about GNU tools). > I certainly don't agree with this kind of pratice and it won't happen on > any software i'm "authoring". Mine also -- even under GPL/LGPL, i keep the copyright. Well here is my little usual phrase: "this is the last post about this topic" because this is Out-Of-Topic or has been discussed already too long. Regards, Sylvain Le Gall