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From: Alan Schmitt <alan.schmitt@polytechnique.org>
To: Philippe Wang <mail@philippewang.info>
Cc: OCaml Mailing List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] use of ";;" when teaching Ocaml
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:27:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2si9itv0r.fsf@charm-ecran.irisa.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAFfW_qOP7QNYec8fw5qC2_JA7Spc-N0P4SxHE8x3G9fXj3uJw@mail.gmail.com> (Philippe Wang's message of "Tue, 23 Jun 2015 01:41:45 +0200")

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Hello,

Thanks to everyone for your answers, this has given me much food for
thought.

On 2015-06-23 01:41, Philippe Wang <mail@philippewang.info> writes:

> In my opinion, it's a lot more relevant to use a very limited and very
> simple subset of OCaml when teaching to beginners. And this subset
> does not involve expressions at top-level because it's not worth the
> trouble.

I like this approach because it amounts to saying "one always starts
a phrase with 'let' or 'type'" (and later in the year there can be
'open', 'module', 'include'). I sure can live without top-level
expressions.

On the other hand, I also like the idea of terminating phrases, simply
because explaining when it terminates is not trivial otherwise, as
a 'let' may not be the beginning of a phrase.

> Also, using the interactive top-level loop is, in my opinion, not good
> for beginners. It should only be presented to those who already
> understand very well the "core" of OCaml. The most frequent issue with
> the top-level loop is that it gets in the way of the notion of
> compiling a program, and it might give the false impression that OCaml
> can be interpreted.

I am curious about this. My goal is to teach the language, and I find
that a REPL backed with a file works great to do this (using tuareg or
ocaml-top). What do you use to make sure students have a fast
compile/debug cycle?

Thanks again,

Alan

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-06-23 13:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-22 13:31 Alan Schmitt
2015-06-22 13:52 ` Ivan Gotovchits
2015-06-22 13:53 ` Daniil Baturin
2015-06-22 14:19 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2015-06-22 15:48   ` Damien Doligez
2015-06-22 15:56     ` Thomas Refis
2015-06-22 16:07       ` Mark Shinwell
2015-06-22 16:30         ` Gerd Stolpmann
2015-06-22 16:47           ` Mark Shinwell
2015-06-22 17:08             ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-06-22 18:56             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2015-06-22 17:18           ` Török Edwin
2015-06-22 17:42         ` Francois Berenger
2015-06-22 17:46           ` Ivan Gotovchits
2015-06-22 17:53           ` John Whitington
2015-06-22 16:07     ` Pippijn van Steenhoven
2015-06-22 16:25       ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-06-22 18:18       ` Steve Zdancewic
2015-06-22 16:42   ` Thomas Refis
2015-06-22 16:47     ` David House
2015-06-22 17:08     ` Daniil Baturin
2015-06-22 17:04 ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-06-22 23:41 ` Philippe Wang
2015-06-23  1:15   ` Kenichi Asai
2015-06-23 13:27   ` Alan Schmitt [this message]
2015-06-23 13:35     ` Ivan Gotovchits
2015-06-23 13:36       ` Ivan Gotovchits
2015-06-25 16:51     ` Philippe Wang
2015-06-29  0:12       ` Philippe Wang

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