* [OSR] Caml Community Code @ 2008-01-31 15:57 Jonathan Bryant 2008-01-31 16:08 ` [Caml-list] " Romain Beauxis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Jonathan Bryant @ 2008-01-31 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: caml-list [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1806 bytes --] List, Despite all the great ideas on the [OSR] threads, we seem to be getting nowhere and talking ourselves to death bickering about implementation details of code that hasn't even been written yet. I think the only thing we can agree on is that tools for use by the community should be written by the community. Because of that, we need to start writing them: the best way to find out what works is to try. I've created a SourceForge project called Caml Community Code here ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/camlcode) where we can put any code for community OCaml tools. The fact that we can't hack the OCaml language itself (due to French copyright law) seems to have unfortunately caused the community to not hack together on other tools _for_ the language. With this project everyone can hack on the tools we'll (hopefully) end up using every day, rather than having INRIA or one person try to build something that satisfies everyone. If you have code for tools (I know someone at least has some code for a package manager), please put it in the repository so we can all see and work on it _as as community_. Regarding the package manager discussion, what we need is a few functioning prototypes. Later we can go back and cherry pick features we like and merge them down to just two to develop a little more, and finally pick one. I also think we should have one CamlP4 grammar with all the community's agreed upon "standard" syntax extensions (sort of a "new revised" syntax?), a set of "standard" ocamlbuild plugins, and "standard" interfaces (XML parser, etc.), all of which can be stored in the project as well. I was waiting for the project to get approved before sending this out (it just came through this morning), so I'll go ahead and make a temporary directory layout. --Jonathan [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2045 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Caml-list] [OSR] Caml Community Code 2008-01-31 15:57 [OSR] Caml Community Code Jonathan Bryant @ 2008-01-31 16:08 ` Romain Beauxis 2008-01-31 16:23 ` Jonathan Bryant 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Romain Beauxis @ 2008-01-31 16:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: caml-list Le Thursday 31 January 2008 16:57:24 Jonathan Bryant, vous avez écrit : > List, Hi ! > Despite all the great ideas on the [OSR] threads, we seem to be getting > nowhere and talking ourselves to death bickering about implementation > details of code that hasn't even been written yet. I think the only thing > we can agree on is that tools for use by the community should be written by > the community. Because of that, we need to start writing them: the best > way to find out what works is to try. > > I've created a SourceForge project called Caml Community Code here ( > http://sourceforge.net/projects/camlcode) where we can put any code for > community OCaml tools. The fact that we can't hack the OCaml language > itself (due to French copyright law) seems to have unfortunately caused the > community to not hack together on other tools _for_ the language. With > this project everyone can hack on the tools we'll (hopefully) end up using > every day, rather than having INRIA or one person try to build something > that satisfies everyone. If you have code for tools (I know someone at > least has some code for a package manager), please put it in the repository > so we can all see and work on it _as as community_. It's a good idea, but it seems a duplicate of the ocamlcore.org on-going server announced by Sylvain.. So rather than creating another instance, it should be better to join efforts together, don't you think ? Romain ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Caml-list] [OSR] Caml Community Code 2008-01-31 16:08 ` [Caml-list] " Romain Beauxis @ 2008-01-31 16:23 ` Jonathan Bryant 2008-01-31 17:24 ` Sylvain Le Gall 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Jonathan Bryant @ 2008-01-31 16:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Romain Beauxis; +Cc: caml-list [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 987 bytes --] On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Romain Beauxis <toots@rastageeks.org> wrote: > Le Thursday 31 January 2008 16:57:24 Jonathan Bryant, vous avez écrit : [...] > > It's a good idea, but it seems a duplicate of the ocamlcore.org on-going > server announced by Sylvain.. > > So rather than creating another instance, it should be better to join > efforts > together, don't you think ? > I did not see that message in the midst of that thread. On the one hand, I don't want to duplicate efforts. On the other, SourceForge has a host of development resources available, plus builtin user management, etc. It would be nice to have our own site, but there doesn't seem to be much at all up yet. I'd be in favor of having something that's working _now_ as opposed to something that's going the be amazing ... in a few months ... whenever we get it up ... Sylvan, what are your thoughts? The last thing I want is two "competing" sites... --Jonathan [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1693 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [OSR] Caml Community Code 2008-01-31 16:23 ` Jonathan Bryant @ 2008-01-31 17:24 ` Sylvain Le Gall 2008-01-31 17:28 ` Sylvain Le Gall 2008-01-31 17:49 ` [Caml-list] " Jonathan Bryant 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Sylvain Le Gall @ 2008-01-31 17:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: caml-list Hello, On 31-01-2008, Jonathan Bryant <watersofmemory@gmail.com> wrote: >> Le Thursday 31 January 2008 16:57:24 Jonathan Bryant, vous avez =E9crit : > > >> >> It's a good idea, but it seems a duplicate of the ocamlcore.org on-going >> server announced by Sylvain.. > >> >> So rather than creating another instance, it should be better to join >> efforts >> together, don't you think ? >> > > I did not see that message in the midst of that thread. On the one hand, I > don't want to duplicate efforts. On the other, SourceForge has a host of > development resources available, plus builtin user management, etc. It > would be nice to have our own site, but there doesn't seem to be much at al= > l > up yet. I'd be in favor of having something that's working _now_ as oppose= > d > to something that's going the be amazing ... in a few months ... whenever w= > e > get it up ... > > Sylvan, what are your thoughts? The last thing I want is two "competing" > sites... > I am not the kind of guy waiting "a few months" for doing things. In fact, the host is up and running. It already run a gforge and should be available to the community (in fact, you can already create a project). Stefano, Romain and Samuel propose to help me to set it up. For now, i have worked alone, due to a complicated web/email set up. At this moment, i am ready to let this three people really help me (since 2 days, i was doing grunt work on the server). We have decided to delay the announce of the availability of the server, because we need some extra test, to check everything is working (list, bug tracking et al). BUT, if you are willing to help, there is some basic task you can do, who should help us a lot: * create a scm plugin to gforge to be able to use hg/git/darcs (copy and paste the svn/cvs plugin) * create a nice gforge theme with a caml for the website (i think you can have a look at caml.inria.fr) * later you can help us to test things * help us to create a "terms and conditions" for the website * ... If you don't believe me, go to: http://www.ocamlcore.org BUT DON'T REGISTER/ASK FOR PROJECT FOR NOW. I am not sure the site is working perfectly... There will be an official annoucement when the whole website will be up and running. Contact me privately if you want more information. Regards, Sylvain Le Gall ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [OSR] Caml Community Code 2008-01-31 17:24 ` Sylvain Le Gall @ 2008-01-31 17:28 ` Sylvain Le Gall 2008-01-31 17:49 ` [Caml-list] " Jonathan Bryant 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Sylvain Le Gall @ 2008-01-31 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: caml-list On 31-01-2008, Sylvain Le Gall <sylvain@le-gall.net> wrote: > BUT DON'T REGISTER/ASK FOR PROJECT FOR NOW. I am not sure the site is > working perfectly... > Indeed, i already discovered a bug... Need some more works ;-) (lists.ocamlcore.org doesn't have a DNS resolution) Regards, Sylvain Le Gall ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Caml-list] Re: [OSR] Caml Community Code 2008-01-31 17:24 ` Sylvain Le Gall 2008-01-31 17:28 ` Sylvain Le Gall @ 2008-01-31 17:49 ` Jonathan Bryant 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Jonathan Bryant @ 2008-01-31 17:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sylvain Le Gall; +Cc: caml-list [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2137 bytes --] Sylvan, > > I am not the kind of guy waiting "a few months" for doing things. In > fact, the host is up and running. It already run a gforge and should be > available to the community (in fact, you can already create a project). Not intended a slight towards you. Apologies if that is what you inferred. > > > Stefano, Romain and Samuel propose to help me to set it up. For now, i > have worked alone, due to a complicated web/email set up. At this > moment, i am ready to let this three people really help me (since 2 > days, i was doing grunt work on the server). I'd like to be the fourth. > > > We have decided to delay the announce of the availability of the server, > because we need some extra test, to check everything is working (list, > bug tracking et al). I understand. Exactly the same reason I delayed announcing until I had the SF project set up. > > > BUT, if you are willing to help, there is some basic task you can do, > who should help us a lot: > * create a scm plugin to gforge to be able to use hg/git/darcs (copy and > paste the svn/cvs plugin) > * create a nice gforge theme with a caml for the website (i think you can > have > a look at caml.inria.fr) > * later you can help us to test things > * help us to create a "terms and conditions" for the website > * ... > I'll look at it. > > If you don't believe me, go to: > http://www.ocamlcore.org I did this morning and all I got was the "It Works!" page, but I see that it is now up and running. > <http://www.ocamlcore.org> > > BUT DON'T REGISTER/ASK FOR PROJECT FOR NOW. I am not sure the site is > working perfectly... > > There will be an official annoucement when the whole website will be up > and running. > > Contact me privately if you want more information. Will do. --Jonathan > > Regards, > Sylvain Le Gall > > _______________________________________________ > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: > http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list > Archives: http://caml.inria.fr > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3979 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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