From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2756DBC8B for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:36:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from pauillac.inria.fr (pauillac.inria.fr [128.93.11.35]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j149a6YH015826 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:36:06 +0100 Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14078 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:36:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.physik.uni-muenchen.de (mail.physik.uni-muenchen.de [192.54.42.129]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j149a5vU032714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:36:06 +0100 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE8220012; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:36:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.physik.uni-muenchen.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.physik.uni-muenchen.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02297-02-33; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:36:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from mailhost.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de (kaiser.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de [141.84.136.1]) by mail.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1AC320031; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:36:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from eiger.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de (eiger.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de [141.84.136.54]) by mailhost.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B1826E87; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:36:03 +0100 (CET) Received: by eiger.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Postfix, from userid 3092) id AEAAF3D9A; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:36:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eiger.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE4C2D716; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:36:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:36:03 +0100 (CET) From: Thomas Fischbacher To: Ville-Pertti Keinonen Cc: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Estimating the size of the ocaml community In-Reply-To: <1107507310.669.27.camel@localhost> Message-ID: References: <891bd33905020213315a2ebb18@mail.gmail.com> <8008871f05020213362d21ba87@mail.gmail.com> <000f01c50971$baad4840$0100a8c0@mshome.net> <1107403128.32586.223.camel@pelican.wigram> <20050203173556.4acec1c5.ocaml-erikd@mega-nerd.com> <009a01c50a1e$f6c92080$0100a8c0@mshome.net> <1107507310.669.27.camel@localhost> X-BOFH: Daemons did it MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at physik.uni-muenchen.de X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 42034206.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 42034205.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 ocaml:01 wrote:01 syntax:01 accessors:01 conceptually:01 ad-hoc:01 conceptually:01 ad-hoc:01 cip:98 cip:98 lambda:01 lambda:01 lisp:01 lisp:01 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, Ville-Pertti Keinonen wrote: > > (2) Speaking of syntax, there's a lot of unnecessary cruft in virtually > > any language besides LISP (or rather, Scheme). > > Usually what someone considers "unnecessary cruft" is defined by what > they're used to. People are used to the annoyances of the languages > they use the most and don't tend to notice them, but when using a less > familiar language, pay a lot of attention to anything that seems more > cumbersome. > > As an obvious example, neither Common Lisp or Scheme have > pattern-matching. Accessing data via pattern matching is often far more > convenient than via c[ad]+r, slot accessors etc. Sure! But Lisp gives me the freedom to add it via a library. Which also kind of says that it's unnecessary to complicate the core language by putting in such a conceptually ad-hoc feature. Of course, from the LISP point of view, virtually anything that's done by other languages is conceptually ad-hoc, and can easily be added by extending the language. ;-) -- regards, tf@cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de (o_ Thomas Fischbacher - http://www.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~tf //\ (lambda (n) ((lambda (p q r) (p p q r)) (lambda (g x y) V_/_ (if (= x 0) y (g g (- x 1) (* x y)))) n 1)) (Debian GNU)