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From: Brian Hurt <bhurt@spnz.org>
To: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
Cc: caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] C++ STL and template features compared with OCaml parametric polymorphism and OO features
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:01:38 -0500 (CDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409271151360.5809-100000@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1096303081.28613.710.camel@pelican.wigram>

On 28 Sep 2004, skaller wrote:

> Yes, because it costs nothing, which is much cheaper
> than the virtual dispatch:

This is wrong.  It does cost something- it costs code bloat, because now
instead of a single copy of the comprehension, you have a whole bunch of
copies, one for each time you call the comprehension.  This increases
cache pressure, and increases the cache miss rate by the whole program,
slowing the program down.

Note that a cache miss that goes to main memory is 100-350+ clock cycles 
on modern CPUs.  I can do a heck of a lot of work in that time.

Note that inlining has the same problem.

> No dynamic dispatch is required here. The templates
> works with C functions, pointers to C functions,
> and function objects.

This is the advantage of templates, but it comes at a cost.

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Brian

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-27 16:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-25 21:12 Vasili Galchin
2004-09-25 21:38 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-09-25 22:15   ` Vasili Galchin
2004-09-25 22:52     ` Vasili Galchin
2004-09-26  1:34       ` Jon Harrop
2004-09-26  5:31         ` Radu Grigore
2004-09-26  9:47           ` sejourne_kevin
2004-09-26 13:05           ` Jon Harrop
2004-09-26 14:36             ` skaller
2004-09-26 15:08               ` sejourne_kevin
2004-09-26 15:27                 ` skaller
2004-09-26 18:51               ` Jon Harrop
2004-09-26 20:14                 ` Radu Grigore
2004-09-27  1:59                   ` Jon Harrop
2004-09-27  4:48                     ` skaller
2004-09-27  9:40                       ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-09-27 10:50                     ` Radu Grigore
2004-09-27 12:14                       ` skaller
2004-09-27 13:11                       ` Jon Harrop
2004-09-27 13:31                         ` Radu Grigore
2004-09-27 16:54                           ` Jon Harrop
2004-09-29 18:59                             ` Radu Grigore
2004-09-27 13:32                         ` Radu Grigore
2004-09-27 14:04                         ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-27 14:58                           ` skaller
2004-09-27 15:30                             ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-27 16:38                               ` skaller
2004-09-27 17:01                                 ` Brian Hurt [this message]
2004-09-28  1:21                                   ` skaller
2004-09-27 16:41                           ` brogoff
2004-09-28  0:26                             ` skaller
2004-09-29 15:32                         ` Florian Hars
2004-09-29 16:49                           ` [Caml-list] Factoring HOFs [was Re: C++ STL...] Jon Harrop
2004-09-30  9:19                             ` Radu Grigore
2004-09-30 10:13                             ` Keith Wansbrough
2004-09-30 10:31                               ` Keith Wansbrough
2004-09-30 13:21                               ` skaller
2004-09-30 23:17                               ` [Caml-list] Factoring HOFs Jacques Garrigue
2004-10-01  8:46                                 ` Keith Wansbrough
2004-10-01 17:35                                 ` brogoff
2004-09-26 20:43                 ` [Caml-list] C++ STL and template features compared with OCaml parametric polymorphism and OO features skaller
2004-09-26 14:19           ` skaller

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