From: malc <malc@pulsesoft.com>
To: Jacques Garrigue <garrigue@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp>
Cc: tim@fungible.com, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Big executables from ocamlopt; dynamic libraries again
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:46:36 -0500 (EST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203181339330.593-100000@home.oyster.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020318142017J.garrigue@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp>
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Jacques Garrigue wrote:
> From: tim@fungible.com (Tim Freeman)
>
> > >A major problem with using dynamic linking with ocaml (in particular
> > >with native code), is that your program come cut into small pieces,
> > >and you must be sure that they are all compatible.
> >
> > How is ocaml different from C in this regard? One difference is that
> > ocaml is younger and therefore changing faster, but eventually that
> > won't be true any more. Are there other difference?
>
> In short: C doesn't make sure that they are compatible.
> If they are, this will work, otherwise, undefined behaviour.
> Programmers and users are responsible for checking (by hand!) that the
> API didn't change in an incompatible way.
>
> If you want to have both security and allow linking everytime it's
> safe, then you would need to do lots of type-checking at link-time
> (runtime for dynamic linking). Basically that every module you depend
> on has an interface at least as good as what you need, checking type
> by type. If you've got a look at the size of some .cmi's, you may
> realize that including required types in executables may require
> potentially huge sizes. And type-checking is sometimes too slow.
>
> As a fall-back solution, there is MD5 hashing. The problem is that
> you're then mixing information for all the contents of a module.
> Any change will produce a new incompatible hash value.
> For instance, every time you add a function to a library, it becomes
> incompatible. And there are new functions in every release of ocaml.
If by this you mean unique suffixes for symbols (Module_funcname_123)
and value address positions withing module's data storage, then there
is a workaround which i implemented in my shared patch, so that produced
code is less dependant on such seemingly irrelevant things as
adding/removing/swaping places of global visible functions and variables.
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Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-03-16 16:05 Tim Freeman
2002-03-18 1:12 ` Jacques Garrigue
2002-03-18 1:29 ` Tim Freeman
2002-03-18 5:20 ` Jacques Garrigue
2002-03-18 10:10 ` [Caml-list] Big executables from ocamlopt; dynamic librariesagain Warp
2002-03-18 13:14 ` [Caml-list] Big executables from ocamlopt; dynamic libraries again Sven
2002-03-18 15:51 ` [Caml-list] Type-safe backward compatibility for .so's Tim Freeman
2002-03-18 18:46 ` malc [this message]
2002-03-19 22:21 ` [Caml-list] Big executables from ocamlopt; dynamic libraries again Johan Georg Granström
2002-03-20 2:46 ` Hashing research (was Re: [Caml-list] Big executables ...) Tim Freeman
2002-03-18 10:12 ` [Caml-list] Big executables from ocamlopt; dynamic libraries again Nicolas George
2002-03-18 13:11 ` Sven
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