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Van Every" To: "caml" Subject: RE: [Caml-list] Cross-compiling OCaml Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:16:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200409011445.05355.jgoerzen@complete.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-ContentStamp: 14:7:828552765 X-MAIL-INFO: 57a424516d54406da4c480a4dded85894054557d385589b5a5891139cdc1389dd97d2515e0bd11bd80b90101d94df949f9c9910929a14475a581f5e96420e9a5e499a5e0e554f120b04964c0ad8975e07561a9f9f9492411391174d1fd9450a4259965b1f4d4edf49921b99989ddb54d09100929cd3d292091296490e590d9111480550439e4f5b5f5a160b9b9803da961a95120b151a45131b42d316d54319435f4 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: CI84cOLHFqh7Zd2QWkwvEFvwyO3T/pIsFsCrOjjLH86HuFhevgKsRQ64RKjE2gYx X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 413639D1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; brandon:99 caml-list:01 brandon:99 goodness:99 mingw:01 mingw:01 zlib:01 cygwin:01 msdn:01 python:01 digging:01 python:01 troll:01 wiki:01 troll:01 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk John Goerzen wrote: > > Brandon Van Every wrote: > > > > how satisfied they are. I encountered a similar phenom on > > You also encountered it on freeciv-dev. Goodness, the C crowd. If OCaml people were to consider the codebase and my reactions to it, do you want to take bets on where their sympathies would lie? Let's just say my offers to Pythonize stuff met with crickets chirping. I did make a VS 2003 build that apparently nobody but myself actually wanted because they're too UNIX / mingw oriented. Did the same thing for XConq, got the same reactions. Freeciv and XConq were the painful mingw projects I referred to when this thread started. Well, and all their support libraries too. Well, kicking zlib into VS 2003 buildable shape wasn't so hard, but it was futzy. Like ripping off a implementation and that sort of thing. I'm sooooo uninterested in mingw now. It feels like I've been at "heavy duty e-mail" for a week. Checking dates, it's only been 3 days for this thread, but that's way more than enough. Even I have my limits, amazingly enough. As of this post, I'm bowing out of this thread. I made the point I wanted to make in my 1st post. Linux-to-Windows cross-compilation is a Windows avoidance strategy, not a Windows support strategy. As such, Linux guys may want it, but Windows guys don't. We'd like VS 2003 support, or nothing, thanks much. Makefiles with MSVC as the backend are ok, just please don't assume a Cygwin / mingw build and header file environment. I'll be looking at cross-platform build tools, but that's like OCaml project priority #5 right now. It seems there are several competing OCaml build tools out there For instance, ocalibs has its own tool called ocalibsmake. Plus non-OCaml build tools to consider. A lot of tools to chug through. I don't have time right now. Oh, and if you're wondering where to get the free MSVC compiler sans Visual Studio IDE, it's at: http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/ So don't say Microsoft never gave ya nuthin'. :-) They're reeeel generous, they just love you all over. > But that's like complaining about going to a Perl meeting and hearing > about parsing or going to an Emacs meeting and hearing about Lisp. Indeed, part of why I dropped Python is there's nothing worthwhile in that community for 3D graphics. I did a lot of looking and digging. Nothing is past the "Hey, we've got an OpenGL wrapper!" stage. Well, neither is OCaml, but OCaml has performance and Python doesn't. > Frankly, through all your talk on all these forums, I have never yet > seen even one single substantive thing come out of it. I > think you are all talk and no do. In other words, a troll. > > [...] > > Or /dev/null, preferably. Since the set of your projects is > pretty much the same as the contents of that file. You're welcome to come over to ocamlgames, ocaml-biz, or the COCAN wiki at any time. I haven't seen you at any of those venues, so perhaps you're just prone to the Law Of Selective Observation. If you have serious work to discuss, we can do so. Cheers, www.indiegamedesign.com Brand*n Van Every S*attle, WA "Troll" - (n.) Anything you don't like. 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