* [Caml-list] Destructive use of file descriptors
@ 2015-08-06 9:40 Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-06 9:48 ` Nicolas Ojeda Bar
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From: Goswin von Brederlow @ 2015-08-06 9:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: caml-list
Hi,
in Python one can write:
with open("foo") as fd:
fd.write(str)
This involves some language magic that will open the file for the
duration of the block and close it at the end. The file descriptor is
automatically closed at a know time and not leaked or left until the
GC gets around to cleaning it up.
Has anyone constructed something like that for ocaml? Maybe with a ppx
extension?
MfG
Goswin
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* Re: [Caml-list] Destructive use of file descriptors
2015-08-06 9:40 [Caml-list] Destructive use of file descriptors Goswin von Brederlow
@ 2015-08-06 9:48 ` Nicolas Ojeda Bar
2015-08-06 19:50 ` Malcolm Matalka
2015-08-06 9:48 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-08-06 9:49 ` Pierrick Couderc
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From: Nicolas Ojeda Bar @ 2015-08-06 9:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Goswin von Brederlow; +Cc: caml-list
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Hi,
No magic needed in OCaml:
let with_open path f =
let oc = open_out path in
match f oc with
| x -> close_out_noerr oc; x
| exception e -> close_out_noerr oc; raise e
and then use it as
with_open "foo" (fun oc -> output_string oc str)
Cheers
Nicolas
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> in Python one can write:
>
> with open("foo") as fd:
> fd.write(str)
>
> This involves some language magic that will open the file for the
> duration of the block and close it at the end. The file descriptor is
> automatically closed at a know time and not leaked or left until the
> GC gets around to cleaning it up.
>
> Has anyone constructed something like that for ocaml? Maybe with a ppx
> extension?
>
> MfG
> Goswin
>
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* Re: [Caml-list] Destructive use of file descriptors
2015-08-06 9:40 [Caml-list] Destructive use of file descriptors Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-06 9:48 ` Nicolas Ojeda Bar
@ 2015-08-06 9:48 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-08-06 9:49 ` Pierrick Couderc
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From: Gabriel Scherer @ 2015-08-06 9:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Goswin von Brederlow; +Cc: caml users
Many libraries provide a with_file_{in,out} function capturing this
pattern, without need for specific language support.
BatFile.with_file_out "foo" (fun fd ->
print_endline str
)
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> in Python one can write:
>
> with open("foo") as fd:
> fd.write(str)
>
> This involves some language magic that will open the file for the
> duration of the block and close it at the end. The file descriptor is
> automatically closed at a know time and not leaked or left until the
> GC gets around to cleaning it up.
>
> Has anyone constructed something like that for ocaml? Maybe with a ppx
> extension?
>
> MfG
> Goswin
>
> --
> Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives:
> https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list
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* Re: [Caml-list] Destructive use of file descriptors
2015-08-06 9:40 [Caml-list] Destructive use of file descriptors Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-06 9:48 ` Nicolas Ojeda Bar
2015-08-06 9:48 ` Gabriel Scherer
@ 2015-08-06 9:49 ` Pierrick Couderc
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From: Pierrick Couderc @ 2015-08-06 9:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Goswin von Brederlow; +Cc: Ocaml Mailing List
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Using higher order functions should be enough, I think?
I personnaly use this one when opening files (input in that case):
type 'a res = Ok of 'a | Error of exn
let safe_open_in f file =
try
let ic = open_in file in
let r = try Ok (f ic) with e -> Error e in
close_in ic;
r
with e -> Error e
2015-08-06 11:40 GMT+02:00 Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>:
> Hi,
>
> in Python one can write:
>
> with open("foo") as fd:
> fd.write(str)
>
> This involves some language magic that will open the file for the
> duration of the block and close it at the end. The file descriptor is
> automatically closed at a know time and not leaked or left until the
> GC gets around to cleaning it up.
>
> Has anyone constructed something like that for ocaml? Maybe with a ppx
> extension?
>
> MfG
> Goswin
>
> --
> Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives:
> https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list
> Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners
> Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
>
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* Re: [Caml-list] Destructive use of file descriptors
2015-08-06 9:48 ` Nicolas Ojeda Bar
@ 2015-08-06 19:50 ` Malcolm Matalka
2015-08-11 9:36 ` Goswin von Brederlow
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From: Malcolm Matalka @ 2015-08-06 19:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Ojeda Bar; +Cc: Goswin von Brederlow, caml-list
Nicolas Ojeda Bar <n.oje.bar@gmail.com> writes:
> Hi,
>
> No magic needed in OCaml:
>
> let with_open path f =
> let oc = open_out path in
> match f oc with
> | x -> close_out_noerr oc; x
> | exception e -> close_out_noerr oc; raise e
>
> and then use it as
>
> with_open "foo" (fun oc -> output_string oc str)
>
> Cheers
>
> Nicolas
>
The weakness with this (which I'm not sure if Python offers protection)
is returning something that references the file created. It can lead to
some confusing error messages.
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* Re: [Caml-list] Destructive use of file descriptors
2015-08-06 19:50 ` Malcolm Matalka
@ 2015-08-11 9:36 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-11 11:14 ` Gabriel Scherer
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From: Goswin von Brederlow @ 2015-08-11 9:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Malcolm Matalka; +Cc: Nicolas Ojeda Bar, caml-list
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 07:50:38PM +0000, Malcolm Matalka wrote:
> Nicolas Ojeda Bar <n.oje.bar@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > No magic needed in OCaml:
> >
> > let with_open path f =
> > let oc = open_out path in
> > match f oc with
> > | x -> close_out_noerr oc; x
> > | exception e -> close_out_noerr oc; raise e
> >
> > and then use it as
> >
> > with_open "foo" (fun oc -> output_string oc str)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Nicolas
> >
>
> The weakness with this (which I'm not sure if Python offers protection)
> is returning something that references the file created. It can lead to
> some confusing error messages.
Yeah. I was thinking that that might be avoided. Something on the line
of putting the file descriptor into a local module so ocaml would
complain about it escaping its scope or something.
At least unlike the other suggestion this one closes the FD on exception.
MfG
Goswin
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* Re: [Caml-list] Destructive use of file descriptors
2015-08-11 9:36 ` Goswin von Brederlow
@ 2015-08-11 11:14 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-08-11 11:32 ` Ben Millwood
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From: Gabriel Scherer @ 2015-08-11 11:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Goswin von Brederlow; +Cc: Malcolm Matalka, Nicolas Ojeda Bar, caml users
> Yeah. I was thinking that that might be avoided. Something on the line
> of putting the file descriptor into a local module so ocaml would
> complain about it escaping its scope or something.
You can use the "ST monad" trick to track escape of values or effects:
"Region-based resource management", Oleg
http://okmij.org/ftp/Haskell/regions.html
However, this requires writing the resource-manipulating operations in
monadic style.
module ST : sig
type ('s, 'a) st
val return : 'a -> ('s, 'a) st
val bind : ('a -> ('s, 'b) st) -> ('s, 'a) st -> ('s, 'b) st
type ('s, 'a) st_ref
val st_ref : 'a -> ('s, ('s, 'a) st_ref) st
val get : ('s, 'a) st_ref -> ('s, 'a) st
val set : ('s, 'a) st_ref -> 'a -> ('s, unit) st
type 'a secretive = { run : 's . unit -> ('s, 'a) st }
val run_st : 'a secretive -> 'a
end = struct
type ('s, 'a) st = 'a
let return x = x
let bind f m = f m
type ('s, 'a) st_ref = 'a ref
let st_ref, get, set = ref, (!), (:=)
type 'a secretive = { run : 's . unit -> ('s, 'a) st }
let run_st st = st.run ()
end
let (>>=) m f = ST.bind f m
# let test =
ST.run_st { ST.run = fun () ->
ST.st_ref 1 >>= fun r ->
ST.get r >>= fun before ->
ST.set r 2 >>= fun () ->
ST.get r >>= fun after ->
ST.return (before + after)
};;
val test : int = 3
# let test_escape_1 =
ST.run_st { ST.run = fun () ->
ST.st_ref 1 >>= fun r ->
ST.return r
};;
Error: This field value has type unit -> ('a, ('a, int) ST.st_ref) ST.st
which is less general than 'b. unit -> ('b, 'c) ST.st
# let test_escape_2 =
let hole = ref None in
ST.run_st { ST.run = fun () ->
ST.st_ref 1 >>= fun r ->
hole := Some r;
ST.return ()
};
!hole;;
Error: This field value has type unit -> ('a, unit) ST.st
which is less general than 'b. unit -> ('b, 'c) ST.st
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Goswin von Brederlow
<goswin-v-b@web.de> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 07:50:38PM +0000, Malcolm Matalka wrote:
>> Nicolas Ojeda Bar <n.oje.bar@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > No magic needed in OCaml:
>> >
>> > let with_open path f =
>> > let oc = open_out path in
>> > match f oc with
>> > | x -> close_out_noerr oc; x
>> > | exception e -> close_out_noerr oc; raise e
>> >
>> > and then use it as
>> >
>> > with_open "foo" (fun oc -> output_string oc str)
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Nicolas
>> >
>>
>> The weakness with this (which I'm not sure if Python offers protection)
>> is returning something that references the file created. It can lead to
>> some confusing error messages.
>
> Yeah. I was thinking that that might be avoided. Something on the line
> of putting the file descriptor into a local module so ocaml would
> complain about it escaping its scope or something.
>
> At least unlike the other suggestion this one closes the FD on exception.
>
> MfG
> Goswin
>
> --
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* Re: [Caml-list] Destructive use of file descriptors
2015-08-11 11:14 ` Gabriel Scherer
@ 2015-08-11 11:32 ` Ben Millwood
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From: Ben Millwood @ 2015-08-11 11:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Gabriel Scherer
Cc: Goswin von Brederlow, Malcolm Matalka, Nicolas Ojeda Bar, caml users
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See also the following thread last year, "Not letting channels escape",
which (after some incomplete attempts from me) illustrates a fully safe
with_file function.
https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list/2014-08/msg00024.html
On 11 August 2015 at 12:14, Gabriel Scherer <gabriel.scherer@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > Yeah. I was thinking that that might be avoided. Something on the line
> > of putting the file descriptor into a local module so ocaml would
> > complain about it escaping its scope or something.
>
> You can use the "ST monad" trick to track escape of values or effects:
> "Region-based resource management", Oleg
> http://okmij.org/ftp/Haskell/regions.html
>
> However, this requires writing the resource-manipulating operations in
> monadic style.
>
> module ST : sig
> type ('s, 'a) st
> val return : 'a -> ('s, 'a) st
> val bind : ('a -> ('s, 'b) st) -> ('s, 'a) st -> ('s, 'b) st
>
> type ('s, 'a) st_ref
> val st_ref : 'a -> ('s, ('s, 'a) st_ref) st
> val get : ('s, 'a) st_ref -> ('s, 'a) st
> val set : ('s, 'a) st_ref -> 'a -> ('s, unit) st
>
> type 'a secretive = { run : 's . unit -> ('s, 'a) st }
> val run_st : 'a secretive -> 'a
> end = struct
> type ('s, 'a) st = 'a
> let return x = x
> let bind f m = f m
>
> type ('s, 'a) st_ref = 'a ref
> let st_ref, get, set = ref, (!), (:=)
>
> type 'a secretive = { run : 's . unit -> ('s, 'a) st }
> let run_st st = st.run ()
> end
>
> let (>>=) m f = ST.bind f m
>
>
>
> # let test =
> ST.run_st { ST.run = fun () ->
> ST.st_ref 1 >>= fun r ->
> ST.get r >>= fun before ->
> ST.set r 2 >>= fun () ->
> ST.get r >>= fun after ->
> ST.return (before + after)
> };;
> val test : int = 3
>
> # let test_escape_1 =
> ST.run_st { ST.run = fun () ->
> ST.st_ref 1 >>= fun r ->
> ST.return r
> };;
> Error: This field value has type unit -> ('a, ('a, int) ST.st_ref) ST.st
> which is less general than 'b. unit -> ('b, 'c) ST.st
>
> # let test_escape_2 =
> let hole = ref None in
> ST.run_st { ST.run = fun () ->
> ST.st_ref 1 >>= fun r ->
> hole := Some r;
> ST.return ()
> };
> !hole;;
> Error: This field value has type unit -> ('a, unit) ST.st
> which is less general than 'b. unit -> ('b, 'c) ST.st
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Goswin von Brederlow
> <goswin-v-b@web.de> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 07:50:38PM +0000, Malcolm Matalka wrote:
> >> Nicolas Ojeda Bar <n.oje.bar@gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > No magic needed in OCaml:
> >> >
> >> > let with_open path f =
> >> > let oc = open_out path in
> >> > match f oc with
> >> > | x -> close_out_noerr oc; x
> >> > | exception e -> close_out_noerr oc; raise e
> >> >
> >> > and then use it as
> >> >
> >> > with_open "foo" (fun oc -> output_string oc str)
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> >
> >> > Nicolas
> >> >
> >>
> >> The weakness with this (which I'm not sure if Python offers protection)
> >> is returning something that references the file created. It can lead to
> >> some confusing error messages.
> >
> > Yeah. I was thinking that that might be avoided. Something on the line
> > of putting the file descriptor into a local module so ocaml would
> > complain about it escaping its scope or something.
> >
> > At least unlike the other suggestion this one closes the FD on exception.
> >
> > MfG
> > Goswin
> >
> > --
> > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives:
> > https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list
> > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners
> > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
>
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