From: Gabriel Scherer <gabriel.scherer@gmail.com>
To: David MENTRE <dmentre@linux-france.org>
Cc: Gerd Stolpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de>,
"Richard W.M. Jones" <rich@annexia.org>,
caml users <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Hardening [Perl's] hash function further
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 10:14:01 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPFanBGiuiYCe1Y8KKy+CB-P7xg6rkke0qU9CLpiB0xo89ziNQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC3Lx=ZrsHau9NicrwTjz-Lt7R5ysdrh4S3KVMOc1vZAAhJpvA@mail.gmail.com>
I've thought about this during the last debate on randomized hashing
(which I think is now known to be ineffective, as implemented, to be
secure), and I think a reasonable goal would be to use a balanced tree
of buckets to a good worst-case, instead of fighting at the hash
function level. As said at the time, this is what Core use, but I'm
not sure what the bookkeeping overhead is against current hashtables.
I hope it's possible to fight the constants to get something in the
same performance ballpark.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 8:53 AM, David MENTRE <dmentre@linux-france.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> 2013/11/19 Gerd Stolpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de>:
>> This article is more or less discussing cryptoattacks on an insecure
>> hash function, and the new versions of the functions are only "better"
>> but in no way safe (which you only get with crypto hashes or
>> dictionaries that don't allow collisions).
>
> Which in turn raises the question: Who has the responsibility to
> implement such hashes that can be exposed to the Internet: OCaml
> standard library or dedicated frameworks like OCamlNet or Ocsigen? In
> other words, shouldn't we keep simple hashes in the OCaml standard
> library (for people making regular programs) and let people making web
> applications chose the proper crypto hash in a specialized library?
>
> Best regards,
> david
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-11-19 9:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-11-18 20:44 Richard W.M. Jones
2013-11-19 0:08 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2013-11-19 7:53 ` David MENTRE
2013-11-19 8:50 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2013-11-19 9:14 ` Gabriel Scherer [this message]
2013-11-19 11:19 ` Dario Teixeira
2013-11-19 12:55 ` rixed
2013-11-19 22:18 ` Nicolas Braud-Santoni
2013-11-19 22:39 ` Eric Cooper
2013-11-19 22:55 ` Nicolas Braud-Santoni
2013-11-25 13:46 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2013-11-19 22:31 ` Nicolas Braud-Santoni
2013-11-20 18:56 ` Florian Weimer
2013-11-20 21:47 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2013-11-25 13:51 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2013-11-25 14:43 ` Yaron Minsky
2013-11-19 22:15 ` Nicolas Braud-Santoni
2013-11-25 13:38 ` Goswin von Brederlow
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