From: Pierre-Alexandre Voye <ontologiae@gmail.com>
To: Benedikt Meurer <benedikt.meurer@googlemail.com>
Cc: Alain Frisch <alain@frisch.fr>, caml users <caml-list@inria.fr>,
caml@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:11:36 +0100 [thread overview]
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2011/12/8 Benedikt Meurer <benedikt.meurer@googlemail.com>
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> The problem is IMHO that there is no one at INRIA caring about ARM. In an
> open model we would have maintainers for the ARM port(s).
>
Note that if Ocaml compiler would have a C backend, all these problems or
architecture port would disappear...
Ocaml would have more than 30 target[1]
In my Opinion, trying to generate assembler is a bad idea because modern
CPU require a lot of work to generate good assembler.
Only the GCC and LLVM team are big enough to be able to make a good job.
In the Lisaac project, we were able to compete with C[2]. Lisaac is a
compiler for a Smalltalk like language : the if/then/else is unknown to the
compiler, it is defined in the true/false object. So it is a proof that a
very high level language can reach C performance. Ocaml can do this,
because the compiler is able to know a lot of type informations.
The Lisaac compiler use strong flow analysis and, more importantly generate
C code. To reach performance, Lisaac tailor C code to help GCC to generate
very optimized code.
For instance, GCC is able to produce MMX/SSE/AVX code when you write code
like this :
http://gcc.gnu.org/projects/tree-ssa/vectorization.html#vectorizab
AutoVectorization is just an example of what you can do with GCC (or LLVM
soon certainly) and which would require a lot of work with an own asm
generator.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Compiler_Collection#Architectures
[2]
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=lisaac&lang2=gcc
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2011-12-08 9:10 Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-08 9:54 ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-08 10:28 ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-08 10:46 ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-08 11:08 ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-08 16:42 ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-12-08 10:47 ` ivan chollet
2011-12-08 14:07 ` oliver
2011-12-08 11:11 ` Pierre-Alexandre Voye [this message]
2011-12-08 18:18 ` Török Edwin
2011-12-09 21:42 ` oliver
2011-12-08 10:16 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-08 11:07 ` Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-09 2:11 ` Jacques Garrigue
2011-12-09 10:37 ` Jérémie Dimino
2011-12-09 11:03 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-09 11:17 ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2011-12-09 11:50 ` Jonathan Protzenko
2011-12-09 12:36 ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-09 23:22 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2011-12-09 22:33 ` oliver
2011-12-09 14:24 ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-09 17:00 ` Mehdi Dogguy
2011-12-09 17:36 ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-09 17:45 ` Mehdi Dogguy
2011-12-09 23:24 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2011-12-10 9:31 ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-10 14:45 ` Xavier Leroy
2011-12-10 15:58 ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-12 10:21 ` Xavier Leroy
2011-12-12 10:59 ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-12 12:20 ` Mehdi Dogguy
2011-12-12 15:17 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2011-12-19 4:09 ` Romain Beauxis
2011-12-19 17:35 ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-12 12:57 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-12-10 17:06 ` Török Edwin
2011-12-10 18:28 ` Jérémie Dimino
2011-12-10 18:34 ` Wojciech Meyer
2011-12-10 19:10 ` Wojciech Meyer
2011-12-10 20:55 ` Jérémie Dimino
2011-12-10 21:40 ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/p5 type reflection [was: OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again)] Wojciech Meyer
2011-12-10 23:34 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11 0:47 ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/p5 type reflection [ Wojciech Meyer
2011-12-11 11:19 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11 18:14 ` Jérémie Dimino
2011-12-11 9:04 ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/p5 type reflection [was: OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again)] Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-11 9:36 ` Török Edwin
2011-12-11 10:29 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11 11:23 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-12-11 11:38 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11 10:20 ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-12-11 10:47 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11 13:27 ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-11 13:35 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11 13:42 ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-11 13:36 ` Arnaud Spiwack
2011-12-11 13:46 ` Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-10 23:28 ` [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again) Jesper Louis Andersen
2011-12-11 11:02 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-12-13 19:36 ` oliver
2011-12-14 12:13 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-12-16 10:03 ` Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-11 13:33 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2011-12-11 13:59 ` [Caml-list] Community distribution [was: OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again)] Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-12 17:48 ` [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again) Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-13 20:39 ` [Caml-list] New experimental ARM backend [was: OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again)] Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-14 9:18 ` Mark Shinwell
2011-12-14 21:51 ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-18 11:57 ` [Caml-list] " Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-18 13:08 ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-18 14:50 ` Alexandre Pilkiewicz
2011-12-18 16:42 ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-18 17:23 ` Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-21 10:11 ` [Caml-list] " Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-18 13:16 ` [Caml-list] " Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-17 18:36 ` [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again) Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-18 4:25 ` Till Varoquaux
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