From: j h woodyatt <jhw@conjury.org>
To: The Caml Trade <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Array 4 MB size limit
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:41:14 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <B8687BBF-2014-4E0E-A0DD-9D66FD63100B@conjury.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0605200930130.10710@localhost.localdomain>
On May 20, 2006, at 7:22 AM, Brian Hurt wrote:
>
> Consider the classic programming pattern of reading the entire file
> into a list (or array) of strings. [...] boom- welcome to the 4G
> limit. Heck, you have to do special incantations just to open and
> read a file that big, let only trying to store the whole thing in
> memory. This is why I claim that once hard disks start getting
> larger than the address space, the address space needs to increase.
Sounds like it's an *anti*-pattern to me. The offset parameter to
mmap(2) is there for a reason.
There is, however, another interesting point I hope the Caml team at
INRIA keeps in mind. I hear rumors that 64-bit processes on
[redacted] may not have access to all the application support
libraries. Some of them, e.g. [redacted] and [redacted], may only be
available to 32-bit processes-- for technical reasons, not business
reasons. The engineering resources to make the libraries available
to 64-bit processes are there, but the technical case for making 64-
bit versions of the libraries is apparently losing. At least for the
time being. I would be unsurprised if technical decisions like this
are happening all over the application services programming world.
What this tells me is that 64-bit hardware and 64-bit operating
systems will very likely continue to have 32-bit processes running on
them for some time to come. We will be living with 32-bit address
spaces for many years after everyone gets 64-bit operating systems
and 64-bit desktop machines.
All that said, I've got little sympathy for the critics on this
issue. The 4 MB array size limit is a fact of OCaml life, but
there's a reasonable workaround that will get most application
programmers around it, i.e. careful use of Bigarray. The 4G size
limit is another story altogether, and it will plague everyone
equally-- not just the OCaml world.
—
j h woodyatt <jhw@conjury.org>
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Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-05-15 18:12 akalin
2006-05-15 18:22 ` [Caml-list] " Nicolas Cannasse
2006-05-15 20:32 ` Damien Doligez
2006-05-15 21:27 ` akalin
2006-05-15 22:51 ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-16 0:48 ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-16 9:57 ` Damien Doligez
2006-05-16 15:10 ` Markus Mottl
2006-05-16 8:01 ` Xavier Leroy
2006-05-16 8:20 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2006-05-19 17:13 ` Xavier Leroy
2006-05-19 5:57 ` Frederick Akalin
2006-05-19 6:21 ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-19 12:15 ` Jon Harrop
2006-05-19 19:36 ` akalin
2006-05-19 20:17 ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-19 16:28 ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-19 20:08 ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-19 21:26 ` Jon Harrop
2006-05-20 1:06 ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-20 18:32 ` brogoff
2006-05-20 21:29 ` immutable strings II ([Caml-list] Array 4 MB size limit) Oliver Bandel
2006-05-22 22:09 ` Aleksey Nogin
2006-05-20 21:11 ` immutable strings (Re: [Caml-list] " Oliver Bandel
2006-05-25 4:32 ` immutable strings (Re: " Stefan Monnier
2006-05-25 5:56 ` [Caml-list] " Martin Jambon
2006-05-25 7:23 ` j h woodyatt
2006-05-25 10:22 ` Jon Harrop
2006-05-25 19:28 ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-25 11:14 ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-25 19:42 ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-26 6:51 ` Alain Frisch
2006-05-25 17:31 ` Aleksey Nogin
2006-05-25 19:54 ` Martin Jambon
2006-05-25 11:18 ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-25 17:34 ` Aleksey Nogin
2006-05-25 18:44 ` Tom
2006-05-25 23:00 ` Jon Harrop
2006-05-25 23:15 ` Martin Jambon
2006-05-20 0:57 ` [Caml-list] Array 4 MB size limit Brian Hurt
2006-05-20 1:17 ` Frederick Akalin
2006-05-20 1:52 ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-20 9:08 ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-20 10:12 ` skaller
2006-05-20 11:06 ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-20 12:02 ` skaller
2006-05-20 21:42 ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-21 1:24 ` skaller
2006-05-21 14:10 ` Oliver Bandel
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.63.0605200847530.10710@localhost.localdomain>
2006-05-20 19:52 ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-20 21:45 ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-21 9:26 ` Richard Jones
[not found] ` <5CE30707-5DCE-4A22-970E-A49C36F9C901@akalin.cx>
2006-05-22 10:40 ` Richard Jones
2006-05-20 10:51 ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-20 14:22 ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-20 18:41 ` j h woodyatt [this message]
2006-05-20 19:37 ` Jon Harrop
2006-05-20 20:47 ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-26 18:34 ` Ken Rose
2006-05-20 22:07 ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-20 15:15 ` Don Syme
2006-05-20 22:15 ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-21 1:25 ` skaller
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