* HLVM? @ 2009-09-26 16:33 David McClain 2009-09-26 17:26 ` [Caml-list] HLVM? Jon Harrop 2009-09-26 20:23 ` HLVM? Sylvain Le Gall 0 siblings, 2 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: David McClain @ 2009-09-26 16:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: caml-list Hello Jon, I searched around for information on HLVM, and what, in particular, makes it so well suited for scientific computing. I also have a long- standing interest in scientific computing and OCaml, dating back to 1999 when I created my NML system. However, wherever I found a reference to the HLVM architecture, all I really found was a short blurb telling me to subscribe to your OCaml Journal. Can you provide some gratis information about what makes HLVM so well suited to scientific computing? Something that might prompt one to actually subscribe to your journal? Cheers, Dr. David McClain dbm@refined-audiometrics.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: [Caml-list] HLVM? 2009-09-26 16:33 HLVM? David McClain @ 2009-09-26 17:26 ` Jon Harrop 2009-09-26 20:23 ` HLVM? Sylvain Le Gall 1 sibling, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Jon Harrop @ 2009-09-26 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: caml-list On Saturday 26 September 2009 17:33:41 David McClain wrote: > Hello Jon, > > I searched around for information on HLVM, and what, in particular, > makes it so well suited for scientific computing. I also have a long- > standing interest in scientific computing and OCaml, dating back to > 1999 when I created my NML system. > > However, wherever I found a reference to the HLVM architecture, all I > really found was a short blurb telling me to subscribe to your OCaml > Journal. The motivation behind the HLVM project is described here: http://www.ffconsultancy.com/ocaml/hlvm/ > Can you provide some gratis information about what makes HLVM so well > suited to scientific computing? HLVM is specifically designed with scientific computing in mind and, in particular, aims to provide a performance profile better suited to scientific computing. Some sacrifices have been made (e.g. polymorphic recursion) but the preliminary results are encouraging. For example, HLVM already thrashes OCaml on most numerical benchmarks: http://flyingfrogblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/performance-ocaml-vs-hlvm-beta-04.html HLVM also provides native code performance directly from the REPL out-of-the-box and offers some useful features that OCaml lacks such as generic printing. Other numerical types (byte, sbyte, int8, uint8, int16, uint16, int32, uint32, int64, uint64, float32, complex32, complex64) are also easy to add and will be vastly more efficient than OCaml's. However, HLVM is currently missing some core features. Most notably, polymorphism and a parallel GC. I intend to implement polymorphism by adding a monomorphization stage before JIT compilation and implement a parallel GC along the lines of the oc4mc project's. In essence, improvements in code generation and run-time data representation will make HLVM several times faster than OCaml for technical computing and improvements in parallelism will make it several times faster again. So I expect to get at least an order of magnitude performance improvement over OCaml in the end. > Something that might prompt one to actually subscribe to your journal? The OCaml Journal articles about HLVM describe the decisions that underpin HLVM's current design and the details of how those were implemented in OCaml using LLVM. In particular, the current OCaml Journal articles do *not* describe how HLVM can be used for scientific computing because it is still an experimental project and is likely to undergo major revisions (when I get to work on it again!). In other words, the articles are aimed at language implementors and not end users. -- Dr Jon Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd. http://www.ffconsultancy.com/?e ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: HLVM? 2009-09-26 16:33 HLVM? David McClain 2009-09-26 17:26 ` [Caml-list] HLVM? Jon Harrop @ 2009-09-26 20:23 ` Sylvain Le Gall 2009-09-26 21:59 ` [Caml-list] HLVM? Jon Harrop 1 sibling, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Sylvain Le Gall @ 2009-09-26 20:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: caml-list Hello, On 26-09-2009, David McClain <dbm@refined-audiometrics.com> wrote: > > Can you provide some gratis information about what makes HLVM so well > suited to scientific computing? Something that might prompt one to > actually subscribe to your journal? > If I am not wrong, you can access source code of HLVM from here: http://hlvm.forge.ocamlcore.org There is some source code that compiles and allows to run something (I have not tested myself). However, it won't give you any information about scientific computing and HLVM... Regards, Sylvain Le Gall ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: [Caml-list] Re: HLVM? 2009-09-26 20:23 ` HLVM? Sylvain Le Gall @ 2009-09-26 21:59 ` Jon Harrop 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Jon Harrop @ 2009-09-26 21:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: caml-list On Saturday 26 September 2009 21:23:32 Sylvain Le Gall wrote: > On 26-09-2009, David McClain <dbm@refined-audiometrics.com> wrote: > > Can you provide some gratis information about what makes HLVM so well > > suited to scientific computing? Something that might prompt one to > > actually subscribe to your journal? > > If I am not wrong, you can access source code of HLVM from here: > http://hlvm.forge.ocamlcore.org That is correct. > There is some source code that compiles and allows to run something (I > have not tested myself). I just checked in a second version of the compiler. If you compile it in hlvm/examples/compiler2 and run ./repl then you get a REPL: $ svn checkout svn://svn.forge.ocamlcore.org/svnroot/hlvm ... $ cd hlvm $ ./compile.sh $ cd examples/compiler2 $ ./compile.sh 57 states, 473 transitions, table size 2234 bytes $ ./repl # 1+2*3+4;; - : `Int = 11 Live: 0 Took 0.076751s # create(10, 3);; - : `Array(`Int) = [|3; 3; 3; 3; 3; 3; 3; 3; 3; 3|] Live: 1 Took 0.029611s It can run OCaml programs like the following FFT implementation (from bench.ml): let rec zadd(((r1, i1), (r2, i2)) : (float * float) * (float * float)) : float * float = r1 +. r2, i1 +. i2;; let rec zmul(((r1, i1), (r2, i2)) : (float * float) * (float * float)) : float * float = r1 *. r2 -. i1 *. i2, r1 *. i2 +. i1 *. r2;; let rec aux1((i, n, a, a1, a2) : int * int * (float * float) array * (float * float) array * (float * float) array) : unit = if i < n/2 then begin a1.(i) <- a.(2*i); a2.(i) <- a.(2*i+1); aux1(i+1, n, a, a1, a2) end;; let rec aux2((k, n, a, a1, a2) : int * int * (float * float) array * (float * float) array * (float * float) array) : unit = if k < n/2 then begin let t = 4. *. pi *. float_of_int k /. float_of_int n in a.(k) <- zadd(a1.(k), zmul(a2.(k), (cos t, -.sin t))); aux2(k+1, n, a, a1, a2) end;; let rec aux3((k, n, a, a1, a2) : int * int * (float * float) array * (float * float) array * (float * float) array) : unit = if k < n then begin let t = 4. *. pi *. float_of_int k /. float_of_int n in a.(k) <- zadd(a1.(k-n/2), zmul(a2.(k-n/2), (cos t, -.sin t))); aux3(k+1, n, a, a1, a2) end;; let rec fft(a: (float * float) array) : (float * float) array = if length a = 1 then create(1, a.(0)) else begin let n = length a in let a1 = create(n/2, (0., 0.)) in let a2 = create(n/2, (0., 0.)) in aux1(0, n, a, a1, a2); let a1 = fft a1 in let a2 = fft a2 in aux2(0, n, a, a1, a2); aux3(n/2, n, a, a1, a2); a end;; let rec test(n: int) : (float * float) array = let a = create(n, (0., 0.)) in a.(1) <- 1.0, 0.0; fft a;; test 8;; let rec ignore(a: (float * float) array) : unit = ();; ignore(fft(create(1048576, (0.0, 0.0))));; -- Dr Jon Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd. http://www.ffconsultancy.com/?e ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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