From: Alexy Khrabrov <deliverable@gmail.com>
To: txr@alumni.caltech.edu
Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:06:08 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <A5E742AF-C71A-436C-BC5E-8BD64696A656@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200903021621.n22GL4Pr020568@alumnus.caltech.edu>
Tim -- thanks for clarification. I've bought the book at once when I
saw it announced here, but now have second thoughts.
From what you describe, it's clear to me that Jason is the originator
of the book and you did the auxiliary tasks. Noe amount of calling up
publishers can substitute for teaching a class at Caltech and
distilling a teachable text out of it. Jason is known for OCaml
software co-developed with his students, and I only found a few
messages from you on this list.
IMHO, if you didn't come to an arrangement, too bad for you; but it
doesn't mean you can come up with other alternatives excluding Jason.
I can imagine lots of folks working for publishers doing lots of
technical assistance, but not asking for their name to be on a book.
If there was a disagreement, you could have excluded any material
based on Jason's notes, and started from scratch; but not at 2/3 of
the book. As a friend of mine likes to say: "I'm afraid you have to
go see Dr. Toughshitsky about this."
The era of self-publishing also shows that Amazon doesn't replace a
publisher -- they don't check the rights and pedigrees of books as
publishers used to. But they do have reviews where folks can say what
they think of this situation. The pre-emptive self-publishing can't
replace years of teaching and authorship -- the US legal system is
good enough to sort this out and deliver justice, alas often after
much agony and expense for all parties.
I believe it's best for Tim to retract his book ASAP; otherwise it
might be done by Jason and CUP via legal means. All of this is not
helping OCaml.
Overall, I can't help seeing that any author who isn't known on this
list ends up with a questionable book -- first Smith and now Rentsch.
Perhaps the elders should form a book vetting committee? As a
heuristics, since the community is still rather small and coherent,
the rule works -- if you can't grep much on the author in this list,
ask questions!
Cheers,
Alexy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-03-02 18:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-03-02 16:21 Tim Rentsch
2009-03-02 18:06 ` Alexy Khrabrov [this message]
2009-03-02 18:37 ` Xavier Leroy
2009-03-03 1:29 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04 7:58 ` Tim Rentsch
2009-03-04 6:59 ` Tim Rentsch
2009-03-04 8:06 ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2009-03-05 2:57 ` Jason Hickey
2009-03-05 3:17 ` Jason Hickey
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-03-04 13:39 Ed Keith
2009-02-28 17:17 Tim Rentsch
2009-02-27 12:27 Richard Jones
2009-02-27 12:29 ` [Caml-list] " Richard Jones
2009-02-27 14:28 ` Tom Hutchinson
2009-02-27 19:40 ` Jon Harrop
2009-02-27 20:22 ` Jason Hickey
2009-02-27 21:34 ` Jon Harrop
2009-02-27 21:48 ` Dario Teixeira
2009-02-28 14:19 ` Jon Harrop
2009-02-27 23:34 ` Richard Jones
2009-02-28 17:52 ` Tim Rentsch
2009-02-27 17:37 ` Nathaniel Gray
2009-02-27 17:42 ` Richard Jones
[not found] ` <aee06c9e0902271043g419a0581mf17430b55a695f2b@mail.gmail.com>
2009-02-27 18:45 ` Nathaniel Gray
2009-02-27 18:52 ` William Neumann
2009-02-27 20:06 ` Jon Harrop
2009-02-27 23:29 ` Richard Jones
2009-02-27 17:46 ` Alexy Khrabrov
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