From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.105]) by walapai.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id pB8B8AAH022041 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:08:10 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai0BAJmZ4E7RVde2kGdsb2JhbABDql0IIgEBAQEJCQ0HFAQhgXIBAQEBAgESAiwBATcBBAsLGBwSNAEFARwGExQOh2UCBpohCoozhBwBjXcHilhjol89g3o X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,319,1320620400"; d="scan'208";a="122571040" Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com ([209.85.215.182]) by mail4-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 08 Dec 2011 12:08:08 +0100 Received: by eaai12 with SMTP id i12so1689988eaa.27 for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 03:08:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=jvJ8B3OmhfsGImEHnTvWs//0sqXjAyKXe74XN/HFhG8=; b=xhecBSW+A39Wk2CCWGHYG3iPk4Ugm4vj2QNQgwrEZIur1K2UXwMnQ0/ov1sH7pG4Ct GjoLrK3lcuVdbgLCYNEk4wBllAHxjAhiAW0GhnleZ4e4nJnr4VQ6J+EZRWNFbanH9B78 /6+rCLKsdUPR0F3dLz3dOE5ElhdZB20TJHETQ= Received: by 10.213.35.12 with SMTP id n12mr1082191ebd.68.1323342486093; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 03:08:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from coruscant.kosmos.all (ip-95-223-170-32.unitymediagroup.de. [95.223.170.32]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c9sm16664967eeb.0.2011.12.08.03.08.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 08 Dec 2011 03:08:04 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Benedikt Meurer In-Reply-To: <4EE09590.2060705@frisch.fr> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:08:02 +0100 Cc: caml users , caml@inria.fr Message-Id: References: <55531934-37A5-4CC5-AB67-20CE4CCE8269@googlemail.com> <4EE08955.30207@frisch.fr> <4EE09590.2060705@frisch.fr> To: Alain Frisch X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by walapai.inria.fr id pB8B8AAH022041 Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again) On Dec 8, 2011, at 11:46 , Alain Frisch wrote: > On 12/08/2011 11:28 AM, Benedikt Meurer wrote: >> The problem is IMHO that there is no one at INRIA caring about ARM. > > I'm pretty sure you mean "core development team", not INRIA. INRIA is a large research institute, you know. And as I said, the "core development team" is not limited to members of INRIA. Right, of course, wrong wording. >> In an open model we would have maintainers for the ARM port(s). > > Yes, I argue for opening the current model a little, by enlarging the existing core team. Creating a new "core team" would create more frustration and problems than it would solve, in my opinion. We have enough fragmentation in this community. I don't know what's the best to move on. But whatever it will be, the entry barriers for contributors and new maintainers should be lowered and both the process and the outcome of decisions should be opened up, IMHO. Otherwise the overall situation will stay the same; OCaml may have an ARM maintainer then, but will continue to lack an XYZ maintainer, even though there are patches and contributors. Enlarging the existing core won't magically improve communication / contact with the community; as Gabriel noted there are human issues in play here. >> I wasn't aware that there is a separate communication channel for the core team. I was under the impression that the caml-list was the best way to reach both the core team and the community. > > I confirm that the best way to contact the core team is caml@inria.fr (see http://caml.inria.fr/contact.en.html). Ok, I'll keep them CC'd. I don't want to start a new private discussion with them as that certainly won't help with openness either. > Alain best regards, Benedikt