* [Caml-list] beginner question about tail recursion @ 2003-08-30 22:52 Ram Bhamidipaty 2003-08-31 6:33 ` Matt Gushee 2003-08-31 10:06 ` [Caml-list] beginner question about tail recursion (caml: addressed to trusted sender for this address) Warren Harris 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Ram Bhamidipaty @ 2003-08-30 22:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: caml-list Hi I am just getting started with OCaml. My understanding is that it is desirable to write function in a tail recursive style. Can the OCaml system tell me if a function is tail recursive? -Ram ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Caml-list] beginner question about tail recursion 2003-08-30 22:52 [Caml-list] beginner question about tail recursion Ram Bhamidipaty @ 2003-08-31 6:33 ` Matt Gushee 2003-08-31 9:12 ` Remi Vanicat 2003-08-31 10:31 ` skaller 2003-08-31 10:06 ` [Caml-list] beginner question about tail recursion (caml: addressed to trusted sender for this address) Warren Harris 1 sibling, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Matt Gushee @ 2003-08-31 6:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: caml-list On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 03:52:04PM -0700, Ram Bhamidipaty wrote: > Hi I am just getting started with OCaml. My understanding is > that it is desirable to write function in a tail recursive style. Well, I'm just getting started with *explaining* OCaml, so don't be surprised if I get it wrong. But here's how I understand it: > Can the OCaml system tell me if a function is tail recursive? I don't think so. But it's pretty easy to tell by inspecting the code, once you get used to it. There are two basic rules you need to keep in mind: 1. The recursive call must be the very last thing that happens in the function. Another way of saying this is that the function must directly return the result of the recursive call to itself, with absolutely no modification. 2. The recursive call can't be within a 'try' block. Unfortunately, this means that the most intuitive pattern for many functions (which is also the pattern found in many introductory examples) is not tail recursive. [ The following is mostly stolen from a previous post by Brian Hurt --thanks, Brian ] A common example of the problem is a function that reads from an input channel and returns all the lines as a list. The most obvious way to write this function is: 1 let rec readlines chnl = 2 try 3 let line = input_line chnl in 4 line :: (readlines chnl) 5 with End_of_file -> [] This actually breaks both of the two rules. Rule #1 is broken in line 4, because the cons operation ('::') is applied to the result of the recursive call. And of course it is within a 'try' block. A tail-recursive way to write the function would be: let rec readlines chnl lines = let line, eof = try let ln = input_line chnl in ln, false with End_of_file -> [], true in if eof then lines (* result returned unmodified *) else readlines chnl (line :: lines) (* 'line :: lines' is evaluated before applying 'readlines' *) Note the use of an accumulator (the 'lines' parameter). This is something you often need for a tail-recursive function. ** Note to OCaml documentors ** Isn't it confusing to beginners that non-tail-recursive examples are so common in introductory documentation? I would suggest adding warnings along the lines of "The above example illustrates the simplest way to write a recursive function; this is not the most efficient form, and should be avoided in performance-critical code. For more information see the discussion of tail recursion in Chapter XX." -- Matt Gushee When a nation follows the Way, Englewood, Colorado, USA Horses bear manure through mgushee@havenrock.com its fields; http://www.havenrock.com/ When a nation ignores the Way, Horses bear soldiers through its streets. --Lao Tzu (Peter Merel, trans.) ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Caml-list] beginner question about tail recursion 2003-08-31 6:33 ` Matt Gushee @ 2003-08-31 9:12 ` Remi Vanicat 2003-08-31 15:53 ` Matt Gushee 2003-08-31 10:31 ` skaller 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Remi Vanicat @ 2003-08-31 9:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: caml-list Matt Gushee <matt@gushee.net> writes: [...] > A tail-recursive way to write the function would be: > > let rec readlines chnl lines = > let line, eof = > try > let ln = input_line chnl in > ln, false > with End_of_file -> > [], true in > if eof then lines (* result returned unmodified *) > else readlines chnl (line :: lines) > (* 'line :: lines' is evaluated before > applying 'readlines' *) well, this code is tail-recursive, but it is not correct (it won't compile). This one is better : let rec readlines chnl lines = let maybe_line = try let ln = input_line chnl in Some ln with End_of_file -> None in match maybe_line with | Some line -> readlines chnl (line :: lines) (* 'line :: lines' is evaluated before applying 'readlines' *) | None -> lines (* result returned unmodified *) by the way, the lines in the returned list will be in the reversed order. [...] -- Rémi Vanicat vanicat@labri.u-bordeaux.fr http://dept-info.labri.u-bordeaux.fr/~vanicat ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Caml-list] beginner question about tail recursion 2003-08-31 9:12 ` Remi Vanicat @ 2003-08-31 15:53 ` Matt Gushee 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Matt Gushee @ 2003-08-31 15:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: caml-list On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 11:12:44AM +0200, Remi Vanicat wrote: > Matt Gushee <matt@gushee.net> writes: > > [...] > > > A tail-recursive way to write the function would be: > > > > let rec readlines chnl lines = > > let line, eof = > > try > > let ln = input_line chnl in > > ln, false > > with End_of_file -> > > [], true in > > if eof then lines (* result returned unmodified *) > > else readlines chnl (line :: lines) > > (* 'line :: lines' is evaluated before > > applying 'readlines' *) > > well, this code is tail-recursive, but it is not correct (it won't > compile). This one is better : Oops. You're right. Although I use this technique myself, apparently I have never done exactly what I wrote above. Sorry. > let rec readlines chnl lines = > let maybe_line = > try > let ln = input_line chnl in > Some ln Oh, I like that. Thanks. -- Matt Gushee When a nation follows the Way, Englewood, Colorado, USA Horses bear manure through mgushee@havenrock.com its fields; http://www.havenrock.com/ When a nation ignores the Way, Horses bear soldiers through its streets. --Lao Tzu (Peter Merel, trans.) ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Caml-list] beginner question about tail recursion 2003-08-31 6:33 ` Matt Gushee 2003-08-31 9:12 ` Remi Vanicat @ 2003-08-31 10:31 ` skaller 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: skaller @ 2003-08-31 10:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Matt Gushee; +Cc: caml-list On Sun, 2003-08-31 at 16:33, Matt Gushee wrote: > 2. The recursive call can't be within a 'try' block. I think that is not quite the correct rule, the rule should be that the call can't cross a try block boundary. For example: let g x = let y = try h x with _ -> [] in g y This example _contains_ a try block. let f x = try let g x = h x in g x with _ -> ... this example is _contained in_ a try block. Both have tail calls to g. But in this example: 1 let rec readlines chnl = 2 try 3 let line = input_line chnl in 4 line :: (readlines chnl) 5 with End_of_file -> [] the call of readlines _crosses_ a try block boundary. ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Caml-list] beginner question about tail recursion (caml: addressed to trusted sender for this address) 2003-08-30 22:52 [Caml-list] beginner question about tail recursion Ram Bhamidipaty 2003-08-31 6:33 ` Matt Gushee @ 2003-08-31 10:06 ` Warren Harris 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Warren Harris @ 2003-08-31 10:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ram Bhamidipaty - ramb@sonic.net; +Cc: caml-list Unless you're dealing with very long lists, or very deep data structures (or writing library code that might be used with long lists, etc), going to extra work to avoid tail recursion isn't worth it. Being properly tail recursive allows the compiler to make an optimization that keeps the stack from growing for each recursive call. Usually you can recurse quite a few times (thousands) before overflowing your stack is ever an issue in practice. I'm not saying that being properly tail recursive isn't important, but it's usually not the first thing you need to worry about when learning a new language. Warren Ram Bhamidipaty - ramb@sonic.net wrote: >Hi I am just getting started with OCaml. My understanding is >that it is desirable to write function in a tail recursive style. > >Can the OCaml system tell me if a function is tail recursive? > >-Ram > >------------------- >To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr >Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ >Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners > > > ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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