From: "Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk" <qrczak@knm.org.pl>
To: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] environment idiom
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:54:01 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87acsiqguu.fsf@qrnik.zagroda> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1102944153.2578.234.camel@pelican.wigram> (skaller@users.sourceforge.net's message of "14 Dec 2004 00:22:34 +1100")
skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net> writes:
>> Referential transparency is about the substitution of definitions.
>> Evidently, x <- ... is _not_ a definition.
>
> But this is a bit circular.
But it's true. Referential transparency is relative to what is
considered a definition. It's not an absolute property if we don't
agree about the mapping between abstract concepts like "definition"
or "equality" and the features visible in the language.
Similarly, whether a function is considered pure depends on what do we
mean to "apply" a function, and what is a "side effect". For example
Haskell IO actions don't break purity if we consider Haskell's
function application as the operation which determines purity, but
they are impure if we treat IO and functions together. And a function
which returns a modified state is pure if we treat the state as one of
the arguments and a part of the result, yet it's impure if we consider
only other arguments as "real" arguments and treat state threading as
a part of the calling protocol. It's all relative.
--
__("< Marcin Kowalczyk
\__/ qrczak@knm.org.pl
^^ http://qrnik.knm.org.pl/~qrczak/
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Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-12-09 2:07 HENRIKSON, JEFFREY
2004-12-09 4:47 ` [Caml-list] " Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-09 6:02 ` Michael Walter
2004-12-09 11:28 ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-09 20:02 ` pad
2004-12-09 23:11 ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-10 2:30 ` skaller
2004-12-09 9:09 ` Richard Jones
2004-12-09 13:12 ` [Caml-list] " Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-12-10 11:59 ` Richard Jones
2004-12-10 10:52 ` [Caml-list] " Andrej Bauer
2004-12-10 12:13 ` Richard Jones
2004-12-10 23:35 ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-11 2:30 ` skaller
2004-12-11 14:31 ` Andrej Bauer
2004-12-11 18:13 ` Markus Mottl
2004-12-11 23:56 ` skaller
2004-12-12 2:36 ` William Lovas
2004-12-12 5:33 ` skaller
2004-12-12 19:09 ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 0:48 ` skaller
2004-12-13 2:03 ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 2:05 ` Michael Walter
[not found] ` <877e9a170412121844b633bb8@mail.gmail.com>
2004-12-13 2:45 ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 6:18 ` skaller
2004-12-13 7:08 ` skaller
2004-12-13 9:56 ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 12:59 ` skaller
2004-12-13 8:56 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 9:21 ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-13 10:05 ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 10:29 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 21:16 ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 10:20 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 12:09 ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-13 12:48 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 14:09 ` skaller
2004-12-13 21:39 ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 13:22 ` skaller
2004-12-13 16:54 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk [this message]
2004-12-13 18:44 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 10:11 ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 11:46 ` skaller
2004-12-13 5:41 ` skaller
2004-12-13 9:29 ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 12:30 ` skaller
2004-12-13 13:49 ` Martin Berger
2004-12-12 23:03 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 1:26 ` skaller
2004-12-13 8:37 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 10:53 ` skaller
2004-12-13 11:38 ` Martin Berger
2004-12-13 13:33 ` skaller
2004-12-13 12:01 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 13:41 ` skaller
2004-12-11 23:29 ` skaller
2004-12-12 0:21 ` Jacques Carette
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