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From: Michael Walter <michael.walter@gmail.com>
To: skaller@users.sourceforge.net
Cc: William Lovas <wlovas@stwing.upenn.edu>, caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] environment idiom
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:03:14 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877e9a17041212180365f76e4a@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1102898935.2768.88.camel@pelican.wigram>

On 13 Dec 2004 11:48:55 +1100, skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> So the monadic model is good, because it plainly separates
> the 'purely functional' non-monadic code, from the
> monadic code, which admits two distinct views -- at the lower
> level it is pure, whilst the higher level interpretation
> might not be -- depending both on the monad being used,
> and also how it is used.
It is probably better to say "from the outside it is pure, and inside
it appears impure, relative to its boundary" (thus stressing the point
that your apparent impurity is only a "view" <wink>).

I think the problem is that we are using "pure" twofold here:

a) As an (absolute) property of the language
b) As the property of code (which is relative to its environment)

As you can obviously emulate impurity in a pure language (see State
monad), and code pure in a impure language, it is not much of a
surprise that b) can differ from a).

Cheers,
Michael


  reply	other threads:[~2004-12-13  2:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-09  2:07 HENRIKSON, JEFFREY
2004-12-09  4:47 ` [Caml-list] " Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-09  6:02   ` Michael Walter
2004-12-09 11:28     ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-09 20:02     ` pad
2004-12-09 23:11       ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-10  2:30         ` skaller
2004-12-09  9:09 ` Richard Jones
2004-12-09 13:12   ` [Caml-list] " Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-12-10 11:59     ` Richard Jones
2004-12-10 10:52 ` [Caml-list] " Andrej Bauer
2004-12-10 12:13   ` Richard Jones
2004-12-10 23:35     ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-11  2:30   ` skaller
2004-12-11 14:31     ` Andrej Bauer
2004-12-11 18:13       ` Markus Mottl
2004-12-11 23:56         ` skaller
2004-12-12  2:36           ` William Lovas
2004-12-12  5:33             ` skaller
2004-12-12 19:09               ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13  0:48                 ` skaller
2004-12-13  2:03                   ` Michael Walter [this message]
2004-12-13  2:05                     ` Michael Walter
     [not found]                       ` <877e9a170412121844b633bb8@mail.gmail.com>
2004-12-13  2:45                         ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13  6:18                           ` skaller
2004-12-13  7:08                             ` skaller
2004-12-13  9:56                             ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 12:59                               ` skaller
2004-12-13  8:56                           ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13  9:21                             ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-13 10:05                               ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 10:29                                 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 21:16                                   ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 10:20                               ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 12:09                                 ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-13 12:48                                   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 14:09                                   ` skaller
2004-12-13 21:39                                     ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 13:22                                 ` skaller
2004-12-13 16:54                                   ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-12-13 18:44                                   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 10:11                             ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 11:46                             ` skaller
2004-12-13  5:41                     ` skaller
2004-12-13  9:29                       ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 12:30                         ` skaller
2004-12-13 13:49                           ` Martin Berger
2004-12-12 23:03           ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13  1:26             ` skaller
2004-12-13  8:37               ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 10:53                 ` skaller
2004-12-13 11:38                   ` Martin Berger
2004-12-13 13:33                     ` skaller
2004-12-13 12:01                   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 13:41                     ` skaller
2004-12-11 23:29       ` skaller
2004-12-12  0:21         ` Jacques Carette

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