From: Andreas Rossberg <rossberg@mpi-sws.org>
To: Gabriel Scherer <gabriel.scherer@gmail.com>,
Alain Frisch <alain.frisch@lexifi.com>
Cc: caml users <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Newbie comment on constructor syntax
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:16:15 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5640E2EF.7070400@mpi-sws.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPFanBHECWgqPkC-2Mjx28R_DgcEYtfjzQcpp-D75eCe+YzjDQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 11/09/2015 07:08 PM, Gabriel Scherer wrote:
> If we gave a functional semantic to the unapplied constructor, then I
> think that good taste would mandate for the application of this
> function and the application of the constructor to be equivalent. This
> means that by choosing a tuple-taking function, we commit to the
> tuple-application syntax (that nobody likes), and that choosing a
> currified function creates an unpleasant inconsistency in the
> language.
>
> I don't know whether we could ever manage to transition to a currified
> syntax for constructors, but right now it is at least conceivable
> because the application syntax is just a concrete syntax choice, it
> does not affect typing. Turning unapplied constructor into a function
> (tuplified or currified) makes it a typing property, observable at
> specification boundaries: we cannot change it.
Hm, I see your point, but don't you already introduce that problem
(i.e., commit to tuples) by allowing the `C x` sugar for n-ary
constructors? Because in a world of curried constructors, `x` would not
be typed as the tuple of arguments, but only as the first argument of
the constructor.
/Andreas
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Alain Frisch <alain.frisch@lexifi.com> wrote:
>> On 09/11/2015 11:35, Andreas Rossberg wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes please, I would appreciate such sugar.
>>
>>
>> I've now submitted a cleaner implementation, working on both expressions and
>> patterns:
>>
>> https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/pull/284
>>
>>> Even more I would appreciate
>>> generalising that to allowing constructors to be used as first-class
>>> expressions (i.e., unapplied "C" -> "fun (x1,...,xN) -> C (x1,...,xN)"
>>> when C is a constructor with arity > 0). I had to write some AST mapping
>>> code recently that would have vastly benefited from that.
>>
>>
>> This is not covered (and now, it could simply be "fun x -> C x" :-)). I
>> don't see anything clever to be done on patterns for "unapplied
>> constructors", though.
>>
>>
>> Alain
>>
>>
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Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-11-06 9:33 Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-06 10:04 ` Nicolas Ojeda Bar
2015-11-06 10:31 ` Francois Berenger
2015-11-06 12:20 ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-06 12:34 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-06 13:09 ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-06 14:10 ` Ashish Agarwal
2015-11-06 15:19 ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-06 15:21 ` Ashish Agarwal
2015-11-21 17:24 ` [Caml-list] Notation for currying Hendrik Boom
2015-11-21 17:41 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-21 18:05 ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2015-11-21 18:55 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-06 12:29 ` [Caml-list] Newbie comment on constructor syntax Jonas Jensen
2015-11-06 12:46 ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-06 12:54 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-08 21:16 ` Florian Weimer
2015-11-08 22:50 ` Norman Hardy
2015-11-09 6:27 ` Florian Weimer
2015-11-09 13:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-11-09 8:09 ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-09 10:00 ` Hendrik Boom
2015-11-09 10:16 ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-09 10:35 ` Andreas Rossberg
2015-11-09 12:28 ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-09 17:33 ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-09 18:08 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-09 18:16 ` Andreas Rossberg [this message]
2015-11-09 21:11 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-09 22:06 ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-09 22:27 ` Andreas Rossberg
2015-11-09 22:57 ` Jeremy Yallop
2015-11-10 0:11 ` Hendrik Boom
2015-11-10 8:27 ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-10 10:25 ` Romain Bardou
2015-11-10 10:44 ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-10 10:55 ` Romain Bardou
2015-11-10 13:17 ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-10 13:41 ` Romain Bardou
2015-11-10 14:01 ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-13 15:36 ` Romain Bardou
2015-11-10 11:17 ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-10 14:11 ` Hendrik Boom
2015-11-10 14:40 ` immanuel litzroth
2015-11-10 15:30 ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-10 17:27 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2015-11-09 20:32 ` Alain Frisch
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