From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E4B27EE51 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 21:02:56 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of misterherr@freenet.de) identity=pra; client-ip=195.4.92.90; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-sender="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of misterherr@freenet.de) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=195.4.92.90; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-sender="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mout0.freenet.de) identity=helo; client-ip=195.4.92.90; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-sender="postmaster@mout0.freenet.de"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8AAIb+pFHDBFxalGdsb2JhbABZgmeEDLt7gmiBBxYOAQEBAQcNCQkUAyWCIwEBBSNKCxELGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFEwgBAYd2ARMDqlmIMwmBNQGHaYEmjCqBVBaCK4ETA51ZjjM X-IPAS-Result: Av8AAIb+pFHDBFxalGdsb2JhbABZgmeEDLt7gmiBBxYOAQEBAQcNCQkUAyWCIwEBBSNKCxELGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFEwgBAYd2ARMDqlmIMwmBNQGHaYEmjCqBVBaCK4ETA51ZjjM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,759,1363129200"; d="scan'208";a="19345129" Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([195.4.92.90]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 28 May 2013 21:02:56 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.142] (helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID misterherr@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1UhPAd-0003N3-OF for caml-list@inria.fr; Tue, 28 May 2013 21:02:55 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:34213 helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID misterherr@freenet.de) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1UhPAd-0001XR-5M for caml-list@inria.fr; Tue, 28 May 2013 21:02:55 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.16] (port=44816 helo=6.mx.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID misterherr@freenet.de) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1UhP71-0002PU-O3 for caml-list@inria.fr; Tue, 28 May 2013 20:59:12 +0200 Received: from e177061078.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.177.61.78]:46636 helo=suse123-acer.home.loc) by 6.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID misterherr@freenet.de) (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (port 465) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1UhP71-0007nE-C6 for caml-list@inria.fr; Tue, 28 May 2013 20:59:11 +0200 Message-ID: <51A4FE7E.5060707@freenet.de> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 20:59:10 +0200 From: "Mr. Herr" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: caml-list@inria.fr References: <20130523235355.GI6510@siouxsie> <20130526150008.GA2014@siouxsie> <20130526234911.41866xca7wgoirfb@webmail.in-berlin.de> <51A30E01.5070300@freenet.de> <20130527185345.e01a7733ac652f89f4e400f7@mega-nerd.com> <51A353BE.5030009@freenet.de> <20130528142008.580d16815937634b8b4e4d93@mega-nerd.com> In-Reply-To: <20130528142008.580d16815937634b8b4e4d93@mega-nerd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problems to get larger user base ... (Re: [Caml-list] OCaml's variables) Am 28.05.2013 06:20, schrieb Erik de Castro Lopo: > Mr. Herr wrote: > >> Am 27.05.2013 10:53, schrieb Erik de Castro Lopo: >>> Mr. Herr wrote: >>>> I think the biggest problem is you generally can only learn FP and/or Ocaml at >>>> university, because: >>>> >>>> The FP terminology is at first (and a long time after starting learning it), without >>>> a teacher, not understandable. >>> Sorry, that's simply not true. >>> >>> I studied my last univeristy course in 1992. I picked up Ocaml in 2004 >>> and Haskell in 2008. Before Ocaml, the only functional language I had >>> used was scheme in the late 1980s. >>> >> Scheme is terribly functional, so to say, and is absolutely immerged in the Lispy slang. >> All your knowlegde in C, Java, PHP, Assembler, Tcl/Tk, Pascal ... will not help you >> there. >> >> I started as an IBM /370 Systems Admin in the late nineties, and it took me months of >> reading in 2012 >> to get some understanding about what the heck the scheme people are talking about. >> >> Scheme is even a better example for the problems non university learners encounter, >> than Ocaml, IMO. >> >> Your point of view is rather supporting mine. > No it isn't. > > I studied 6 months of Scheme in my first year of university in the late > 1980s and never touched it again. *All* the Scheme I might have learned > in the late 1980s had been forgotten by the time I picked up Ocaml in > 2004. > > Erik But you studied computer science? /Str.