From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_NEUTRAL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.3 Received: from mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.82]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC88BC6D for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:58:56 +0100 (CET) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAPo+n0fAXQInh2dsb2JhbACQJQEBAQgKKZdthzY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,271,1199660400"; d="scan'208";a="7405491" Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by mail1-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 29 Jan 2008 23:58:56 +0100 Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m0TMwNTM001248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:58:55 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAMg2n0fRVYC9kmdsb2JhbACQJQEBAQEHCAkKFpd1hzM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,271,1199660400"; d="scan'208";a="6722182" Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.189]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 29 Jan 2008 23:26:41 +0100 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id z22so2102073fkz.9 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:26:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=v/c6OTSvpQu/aANyHmE1p9BCriO2KuspD0TDU5HVB8Q=; b=kGwzKioKYrF/Nc+bXEsBmYKZFMRSv61wbjQW6OfRESS+O+e5WmgCom+kGGXodtdECtUMEN+UAL5ZGeqwrHau+AAhbNqMtzDVFNd9/6EJ/YXwhMvCmXBB80HZcb1l628I2fvWUMu68ILfVOb3XDXIemfBmT0HOLVR5+311n56uDk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OcLgEWGtDrYvVBfxNszLWi6yGuKDFmetDNFBdqZeSymaKflwGcvRW+5+RcX3zDNVXq5WnOJGL2vxO19xldV/4beX7GEpYrKvKIR9mEHEJDNG4WpRFcNzRk41tBSqHLaKPZBpKDO6Pw0A+UI1XtQNfsP4+eyiBmz8pP20R+WAmuM= Received: by 10.78.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr10499586hue.53.1201645600887; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.41.17 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:26:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4b5157c30801291426h1bd00716i52a2573d1b9ef840@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:26:40 +0100 From: "Paolo Donadeo" To: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] [OSR] Ports-like package management system In-Reply-To: <479F63CC.60004@exalead.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <479F0664.2070706@exalead.com> <891bd3390801290511q29ab5fd4y78ee6d8614461487@mail.gmail.com> <479F63CC.60004@exalead.com> X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 479FAF8F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; de-facto:01 cygwin:01 afaik:01 cvs:01 softwares:98 git:98 git:98 corrected:01 caml-list:01 ghc:01 checking:02 kernel:02 native:03 env:03 bugs:03 Just my two cents about the VCS topic, coming from my long experience in using such softwares, also in very critical environments (I was the "librarian" in a military project, with about 100 developers and managers over 3 countries). > I checked out Darcs itself and it took 15 minutes; while checking out > Git or Mercurial took only one or two minutes. The slowness of Darcs is > well-known, many people are talking about it. The last time I used Darcs in a distributed environment it was so buggy and slow that I replaced it with tla/bazaar. Darcs took 48 hours to merge two branches of 2Mb of sources each (I'm not kidding!) and I decided to to throw it out. It's *AWFUL*. > Both Mercurial and Git are used by first-class open-source projects (the > kernel, Mozilla ...). Darcs has only GHC and Darcs (duh!). I dare ask why... ;-) Now I'm using GIT, both in my personal projects (distributed environment, but only three developers and a simple situation, without deadlines) and for my job (distributed env., but many developers and a complex situation, and customers deadlines every 15 days). GIT pros: + speed: it's the fastest VCS I never used; + standard: I think GIT will become the new de-facto standard in the next 12-24 months; + documentation: GIT has a *really* good and complete documentation; + simple: it is very simple compared with anything else, but this is of course a personal opinion; + most important: it's rock solid, no doubt at all on this point. Bugs are corrected in hours, sometimes by Torvalds. GIT cons: + does not work properly under Windows, at this moment. The Cygwin package works well (I personally use it), but AFAIK a native Windows port is not available. This may be a problem. Hg should be ok, but I never used it. It's similar to GIT and runs under Windows. And I consider any centralized VCS (SVN, CVS) as dinosaurs completely useless nowadays. -- Paolo Paolo Donadeo, Senior Software Engineer Studio Associato 4Sigma Email: p.donadeo@4sigma.it ~ ~ :wq