From: Vlad Skvortsov <vss@73rus.com>
To: Sylvain Le Gall <sylvain@le-gall.net>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: [OSR] Ports-like package management system
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:12:25 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47A0BE09.7010908@73rus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <slrnfq10dh.nki.sylvain@gallu.homelinux.org>
Sylvain Le Gall wrote:
>>>> When you develop a program P you will have use programs P_{i1}, P_{i2},
>>>> ... and thus have checkouts of repositories S_{i1}, S_{i2}, and so on.
>>>> If you find a bug in P_{i1} you can directly edit the checked out
>>>> version, recompile everything automatically by launching ocaml in P's
>>>> directory and thus debug P_{i1}. You can then locally commit your
>>>> changes to P_{i1} and then easily push the patch or send the diff to the
>>>> upstream author.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Send a patch to author of P_{i1}. This is the easiest way.
>>>
>>> <hint>
>>> diff -Nurd P_{i1} P_{i1}.new
>>> </hint>
>>>
>> So you need to get a separate copy of P_{i1}, unpack it, and run a diff
>> by hand... And what will happen during the process of developing the
>> patch? You will be working on your patch without version control
>> system. Which is very uncomfortable, especially as you will be working
>> on unfamiliar code - you will make mistakes, erase or modify important
>> stuff, won't be able to easily rollback, branch or review your changes.
>> You will have to play around with tar, diff, patch and merge by hand,
>> make mistakes and create a mess. Any VCS can handle all these tasks easily.
>>
>> Unless your correction is very minor, you will have to either (a) import
>> the project into your own favorite VCS, losing history and create a
>> short-lived repository or be forced to track all future changes by hand;
>> or (b) checkout the sources using the VCS the authors use - but then
>> we're back at case one: you will have to potentially have all the
>> version control systems used by all the software components you may want
>> to contribute to, and also learn how to use them all.
>>
>
> You are mixing software development and packaging. If you really want to
> have something clean, you should avoid having changes into the source of
> the upstream author (at least changes that should last).
>
I agree with this. The lower the entry barrier for the system, the
better. The simplier the system, the better.
I wouldn't use a system that forces me to install a new sexy VCS on N of
my machines and learn a new workflow just to use some packaged module.
My strong preference is that any package should be available for
download via HTTP/FTP. The metadata (central package registry) can be
versioned or not, I don't care, as long as I can publish my package with
a single command.
I really like the way it's done in Python, here is a link to my previous
email on this topic:
http://www.nabble.com/Re:-Re:-On-module-distribution-p14852553.html
--
Vlad Skvortsov, vss@73rus.com, http://vss.73rus.com
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2008-01-29 10:56 Berke Durak
2008-01-29 11:12 ` [Caml-list] " David Teller
2008-01-29 13:11 ` Yaron Minsky
2008-01-29 14:04 ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-29 17:35 ` Berke Durak
2008-01-29 18:02 ` Bünzli Daniel
2008-01-29 18:10 ` Paul Pelzl
2008-01-29 22:26 ` Paolo Donadeo
2008-01-30 1:55 ` Bünzli Daniel
2008-01-29 22:46 ` Paolo Donadeo
2008-01-29 13:47 ` Yaron Minsky
2008-01-29 14:04 ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-29 16:00 ` Alain Frisch
2008-01-30 6:58 ` Yaron Minsky
2008-01-30 8:56 ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-29 17:56 ` Bünzli Daniel
2008-01-29 18:17 ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-29 19:13 ` Bünzli Daniel
2008-01-30 8:49 ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-30 11:15 ` Bünzli Daniel
2008-01-30 11:52 ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-29 18:47 ` Hezekiah M. Carty
2008-01-30 9:06 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 9:39 ` [Caml-list] " Berke Durak
2008-01-30 9:53 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 10:50 ` [Caml-list] " Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-30 11:15 ` Bünzli Daniel
2008-01-30 11:54 ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-30 13:58 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 14:08 ` [Caml-list] " Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-30 11:15 ` Berke Durak
2008-01-30 11:47 ` Bünzli Daniel
2008-01-30 13:55 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 13:54 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 14:24 ` [Caml-list] " Berke Durak
2008-01-30 14:35 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 19:48 ` [Caml-list] " Bünzli Daniel
2008-01-30 18:12 ` Vlad Skvortsov [this message]
2008-01-30 16:32 ` Michael Ekstrand
2008-01-30 16:44 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 18:03 ` [Caml-list] " Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-30 19:45 ` Olivier Andrieu
2008-01-30 19:53 ` Vlad Skvortsov
2008-01-30 10:45 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 9:51 ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2008-01-30 10:18 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 10:43 ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2008-01-30 12:00 ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-30 13:25 ` Jon Harrop
2008-01-30 14:06 ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-30 12:37 ` Pietro Abate
2008-01-30 13:26 ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-01-30 14:07 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-01-30 13:37 ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-01-30 15:12 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-01-31 9:02 ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-02-01 15:03 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-02-03 20:21 ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-02-04 3:40 ` Matthew Hannigan
2008-02-04 18:42 ` Nathaniel Gray
2008-01-30 17:42 ` David Allsopp
2008-01-30 14:13 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 20:22 ` [Caml-list] " Bünzli Daniel
2008-02-08 22:24 ` N. Owen Gunden
2008-01-30 15:15 ` Jon Harrop
2008-01-30 12:37 ` [Caml-list] " Berke Durak
2008-02-13 8:45 ` David Teller
2008-02-13 10:02 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-02-13 10:48 ` [Caml-list] " Berke Durak
2008-02-13 13:51 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-02-13 14:10 ` [Caml-list] " Richard Jones
2008-02-13 14:22 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-02-13 17:57 ` [Caml-list] " Richard Jones
2008-02-15 8:13 ` Maxence Guesdon
2008-02-15 9:47 ` Berke Durak
2008-02-15 10:24 ` Maxence Guesdon
2008-02-15 10:59 ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-02-15 15:45 ` Maxence Guesdon
2008-02-15 13:35 ` Ralph Douglass
2008-02-15 14:08 ` Christophe TROESTLER
2008-02-13 12:13 ` David Teller
2008-02-13 13:48 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-02-13 13:58 ` [Caml-list] " David Teller
2008-02-13 14:20 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-02-13 14:28 ` [Caml-list] " David Teller
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