From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.3 Received: from mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.105]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF5DBC6B for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:31:14 +0100 (CET) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAHY5KUfBtPs+n2dsb2JhbACOXwEBAQEHBAYJCBiBFA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,357,1188770400"; d="scan'208";a="18830274" Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.62]) by mail4-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 01 Nov 2007 10:31:13 +0100 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id AE1B8205A9; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:31:12 +0100 (CET) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-b2038bb0000007e1-95-47299ce0664b Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.121]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 9435420580; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:31:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.170]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:31:12 +0100 Received: from ws73032.uab.ericsson.se ([130.100.73.32]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:31:12 +0100 Received: from [153.88.12.141] by ws73032.uab.ericsson.se (8.11.7p2+Sun/client-1.3uab4) id lA19VB613254; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:31:11 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <47299CDF.5090608@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:31:11 +0100 From: "Ulf Wiger (TN/EAB)" Organization: Ericsson AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Oliver Bandel Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Google trends References: <200711010102.39348.jon@ffconsultancy.com> <1193906249.472990499bcc0@webmail.in-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <1193906249.472990499bcc0@webmail.in-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2007 09:31:12.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[F102DE60:01C81C69] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam: no; 0.00; bandel:01 ocaml:01 erlang:01 haskell:01 haskell:01 erlang:01 steady:98 blog:98 wrote:01 oliver:01 caml-list:01 functional:02 python:03 languages:03 entries:05 Oliver Bandel wrote: > Zitat von Jon Harrop : > >> The number of people searching for OCaml on Google has sky-rocketed since >> Microsoft's announcement that they are productizing F#: >> >> http://www.google.com/trends?q=f%23%2Cocaml&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 > > > Well, I can't see any sky-rocketing there. > Also I found no absolute numbers of requests on that page. Google Trends only shows relative trends, but you can try find different references, in order to find your bearings: http://www.google.com/trends?q=f%23%2Cocaml%2Cerlang&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 http://www.google.com/trends?q=f%23%2Cocaml%2Chaskell&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 http://www.google.com/trends?q=f%23%2Cocaml%2CC%23&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 (So, F# has climbed up to about the level of Erlang, which is also on a rise, but there's some way to go before catching up with Haskell, and compared to C#, interest is relatively zero). Of course, you have to think about alternative meanings of your search terms (e.g. Haskell County, the Erlang-B formula, the musical chord F#, ...), but I've assumed these to be insignificant, at least for Haskell and Erlang trends. But still, working with the tool for a while can help you build some intuition: http://www.google.com/trends?q=C%2B%2B%2CJava%2CC%23&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 Playing around with it a while back, I got the distinct feeling that interest in functional languages is stirring somewhat, while C++, Java, UML are on a slow but steady decline (by this measure). When you start finding blog entries claiming that F# sucks because someone picked it up and tried some solution that works really well in C++, python or ruby, then you are really starting to find a new audience. ;-) BR, Ulf W