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From: Andrej Bauer <Andrej.Bauer@andrej.com>
To: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Coinductive semantics
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:54:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43C51C33.2000206@andrej.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1136981974.8962.100.camel@rosella>

skaller wrote:
> And of course, separate development of these things is fairly
> silly, since as the 'co' indicates the two ideas are formally
> dual.

This is claim is completely false. The theory of final coalgebras is NOT
just a dual of the theory of initial algebras.

While it is true that final coalgebras and inital algebras are dual
concepts, it is far from truth that we may translate results about one
to results about others by applying simple duality. This would only be
the case if we studied algebras and coalgebras in self-dual categories,
which usually we do not (only very special kinds of categories are
self-dual).

For example, the famous Birkhoff theorem about universal algebras says
something about initial algebras. It took a Ph.D. (by Jesse Hughes) to
figure out what the dual of Birkhoff's theorem might be. And believe me
this was not because either Jesse or his advisor failed to "apply a
simple duality principle".

Andrej


  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-11 14:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-05 18:23 Alessandro Baretta
2006-01-05 19:48 ` [Caml-list] " David Baelde
2006-01-06 13:12 ` Andrej Bauer
2006-01-10 11:10   ` Francisco J. Valverde Albacete
2006-01-11  8:34     ` Hendrik Tews
2006-01-11 12:19       ` skaller
2006-01-11 14:54         ` Andrej Bauer [this message]
2006-01-12  2:10           ` skaller
2006-01-12 14:03             ` Andrej Bauer
2006-01-12 21:54               ` skaller
2006-01-13 10:23                 ` Hendrik Tews
2006-01-13 14:42                   ` skaller
2006-01-18 12:58                     ` Hendrik Tews
2006-01-18 14:22                       ` skaller
2006-01-20  0:49                         ` William Lovas
2006-01-20  9:57                           ` Andrej Bauer
2006-01-20 18:59                             ` William Lovas
2006-01-20 20:59                               ` skaller
2006-01-21 18:36                                 ` Andrej Bauer
2006-01-22  3:16                                   ` skaller
2006-01-22 12:23                                     ` Andrej Bauer
2006-01-22 15:35                                       ` skaller
2006-01-22 17:26                                       ` Kenn Knowles
2006-01-22 21:52                                         ` Andrej Bauer
2006-01-21 19:06                               ` Andrej Bauer
2006-01-13 10:40                 ` Andrej Bauer
     [not found]                   ` <43C7B17A.1070503@barettadeit.com>
2006-01-14 16:53                     ` Andrej Bauer
2006-01-05 20:38 Don Syme
2006-01-06 15:33 ` Alessandro Baretta
2006-01-08 10:02   ` Andrej Bauer

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