From: Andrej Bauer <Andrej.Bauer@andrej.com>
To: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
Cc: Andreas Rossberg <rossberg@ps.uni-sb.de>, caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] partial application warning unreliable?
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:52:55 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4399C477.6030606@andrej.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1134148648.8940.167.camel@rosella>
It seems unwise to me to try to capture the notion of side-effects via a
type like "0" or "1". Skaller is talking as if the type
int -> 0
means "a command with side-effects". But "int -> int" can have plenty
side effects, too. A better solution would be to refine types so that
they keep track of which things have side-effects (monads!).
A discussion along the lines "do commands return void or unit?" is
flawed. The type void, in any reasonable semantics (assuming eager
language here), will be inhabited exactly by non-terminating
expressions, whereas "unit" will be inhabited by non-terminating and
terminating ones. Neither of these say anything about side-effects.
I understand ocaml's solution to be as follows: it is understood that
expressions of _all_ types may involve side effects (as well as
exceptions). While the result of a command may be ignored, as it is
uninteresting, the cruical bit is that a command may terminate or not.
This means that its type must posses terminating as well as
non-terminating values, i.e., _unit_ is the right choice. Void would be
the right choice only if all commands were non-terminating, or if all
were terminating.
Andrej Bauer
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-12-09 17:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-12-08 2:39 skaller
2005-12-08 3:10 ` [Caml-list] " Jacques Garrigue
2005-12-08 7:11 ` skaller
2005-12-08 14:41 ` Damien Doligez
2005-12-08 23:51 ` malc
2005-12-09 1:43 ` skaller
2005-12-09 2:15 ` Jacques Garrigue
2005-12-09 2:56 ` skaller
2005-12-09 15:26 ` malc
2005-12-10 0:49 ` Jacques Garrigue
2005-12-10 1:40 ` malc
2005-12-09 12:21 ` Andreas Rossberg
2005-12-09 17:17 ` skaller
2005-12-09 17:52 ` Andrej Bauer [this message]
2005-12-09 18:54 ` Andreas Rossberg
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