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From: Alex Baretta <alex@baretta.com>
To: james woodyatt <jhw@wetware.com>
Cc: Caml List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] About Obj (was Recursive lists)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:42:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <416D14C3.4030902@baretta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <00F89380-1BA2-11D9-B4CE-000A958FF2FE@wetware.com>

james woodyatt wrote:
me-now-or-pay-me-later sort of game you're playing here.
> 
> Rather than whack on the immutable list, maybe you should consider doing 
> this:
> 
>     type 'a mlist = N | C of 'a mcell
>     and 'a mcell = { mutable cdr: 'a; mutable car: 'a mlist }
> 
> No need to thank me.

This point of view is simply wrong. We use immutable lists, which can be 
infinite. This data structure, or I should say this module interface, 
perfectly models our program's needs. However, as I discussed with 
Xavier, we must guarantee that the algorithm which scans this list will, 
at some point terminate, whether the list is finite or not. This can be 
done because cycle detection is decidable and it's complexity in 
realistic scenarios (ours, as far as I'm concerned) is O(1), the 
constant complexity being achieved through the tail-stacking algorithm 
which only stacks a small number of nodes, number which is indipendent 
of the problem size.

The need for a List (or Cyclic_list) module encapsulating the 
abstraction of a cyclic list emerges when we try to build an input 
data-structure to feed our algorithm. The use of Obj within a specific 
module is perfectly acceptable so long as it is needed to implement 
functionality which cannot be achieved in the core language. The example 
of the tail recursive implementation of List.map is pertinent, and shows 
the point.

You might have noticed that Caml breeders use Obj fairly liberally when 
it is needed to achieve a higher of abstraction which cannot be modeled 
in the core language.

Alex

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-13 11:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-08 13:20 [Caml-list] Recursive lists Luca Pascali
2004-10-08 13:31 ` Keith Wansbrough
2004-10-08 14:32   ` skaller
2004-10-08 14:42   ` Alex Baretta
2004-10-08 15:43     ` David Brown
2004-10-08 17:19       ` Alex Baretta
2004-10-08 23:29         ` skaller
2004-10-09  8:35           ` Keith Wansbrough
2004-10-09  9:07             ` skaller
2004-10-09  8:32         ` Keith Wansbrough
2004-10-08 17:18     ` Wolfgang Lux
2004-10-11  0:44   ` Brian Hurt
2004-10-11  6:32     ` William Lovas
2004-10-11  6:52       ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-10-13 11:29         ` Alex Baretta
2004-10-13 11:22       ` Alex Baretta
2004-10-11  9:04     ` Keith Wansbrough
2004-10-08 14:05 ` Sébastien Furic
2004-10-08 14:44   ` Alex Baretta
2004-10-08 15:09     ` Jon Harrop
2004-10-08 15:13   ` james woodyatt
2004-10-08 14:26 ` sejourne_kevin
2004-10-08 18:28   ` Alex Baretta
2004-10-11  8:01     ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-10-11  9:20       ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2004-10-11 13:38       ` [Caml-list] About Obj (was Recursive lists) Christophe Raffalli
2004-10-11 13:49         ` [Caml-list] " Christophe Raffalli
2004-10-11 15:33         ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2004-10-11 16:09           ` Richard Jones
2004-10-11 16:40           ` [Caml-list] About Obj Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-10-13 11:59             ` Alex Baretta
2004-10-11 16:24         ` [Caml-list] About Obj (was Recursive lists) james woodyatt
2004-10-11 16:46           ` brogoff
2004-10-11 17:24             ` james woodyatt
2004-10-12  0:19               ` skaller
2004-10-20 22:10             ` Greg K
2004-10-12 15:19           ` Christophe Raffalli
2004-10-13 11:42           ` Alex Baretta [this message]
2004-10-13 21:19             ` brogoff
2004-10-14  9:52               ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-10-14 17:38                 ` brogoff
2004-10-15  8:22               ` Alex Baretta
2004-10-15 17:02                 ` brogoff
2004-10-17 13:42                   ` Alex Baretta
2004-10-12  6:17       ` [Caml-list] Recursive lists sejourne_kevin

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