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From: Andreas Rossberg <rossberg@ps.uni-sb.de>
To: caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Does Caml have slow arithmetics ?
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:51:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40ED190E.3080005@ps.uni-sb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040708034455.GB29942@davidb.org>

David Brown wrote:
> 
> In some functional languages (Scheme, specifically), tail recursion is
> required to be implemented iteratively.  It is a common enough idiom,
> and easy enough to implement, that it is generally done in functional
> languages.  In fact, gcc does it in C, with enough optimization.

The latter is, to a certain extent, a myth.

First, you have to distinguish between simple tail *recursion*, and the 
much more general concept of tail *call*. I believe Scheme requires to 
fully optimize the latter, and so it is done by all decent FPL 
implementations. GCC does not do that, already falling short of mutually 
recursive functions, IIRC.

Second, a C compiler can only optimize tail recursion under limited 
circumstances, because generally the C language semantics prevent it 
(once more due to pointers, particularly C allowing - and its libraries 
relying on - taking the address of local variables). Last time I heard 
of it, it was said that GCC is having a hard time doing anything 
practically usefull at all.

- Andreas

-- 
Andreas Rossberg, rossberg@ps.uni-sb.de

Let's get rid of those possible thingies!  -- TB

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-07-08  9:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-07  6:45 Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2004-07-07  8:14 ` Richard Jones
2004-07-07  9:13 ` Basile Starynkevitch [local]
2004-07-07 12:32   ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2004-07-07 13:00     ` Basile Starynkevitch [local]
2004-07-07 15:09       ` Olivier Pérès
2004-07-07 17:06         ` David Brown
2004-07-07 17:43           ` Olivier Pérès
2004-07-08  3:40             ` David Brown
2004-07-08 11:06               ` Olivier Pérès
2004-07-07 13:06     ` Richard Jones
2004-07-07 13:22     ` David Haguenauer
2004-07-07 15:48     ` Brian Hurt
2004-07-07 13:57   ` Evgeny Chukreev
2004-07-07 14:58     ` Xavier Leroy
2004-07-07 15:48       ` Evgeny Chukreev
2004-07-07 19:16       ` skaller
2004-07-08  3:44         ` David Brown
2004-07-08  5:50           ` skaller
2004-07-08  9:51           ` Andreas Rossberg [this message]
2004-07-08 12:03             ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-07-08 14:04             ` David Brown
2004-07-08 14:36               ` Luc Maranget
2004-07-08 15:11                 ` Alex Baretta
2004-07-08 15:49                   ` Luc Maranget
2004-07-09 14:06                     ` Alex Baretta
2004-07-09 16:20                       ` Markus Mottl
     [not found]                     ` <Luc.Maranget@inria.fr>
2004-07-09 17:54                       ` Norman Ramsey
2004-07-12  8:08                         ` Luc Maranget
2004-07-08 15:51                   ` Markus Mottl
2004-07-08 18:27                     ` skaller
2004-07-08 21:14                     ` [Caml-list] tail recursion and register poor Intel architecture Brandon J. Van Every
2004-07-08 21:35                       ` Brian Hurt
2004-07-08 23:01                         ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-07-09  4:36                           ` Brian Hurt
2004-07-09  6:53                           ` Florian Hars
2004-07-09 14:44                             ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-07-09  6:55                           ` skaller
2004-07-09 14:45                             ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-07-09 16:09                               ` skaller
2004-07-10  9:19                                 ` [Caml-list] embedded OCaml Brandon J. Van Every
2004-07-11 23:11                                   ` Alex Baretta
2004-07-12  7:39                                     ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-07-12 14:04                                       ` Alex Baretta
2004-07-12 18:48                                         ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-07-12 23:22                                           ` Richard Jones
2004-07-13  6:39                                             ` Alex Baretta
2004-07-13  8:47                                               ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-07-13  8:58                                                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-07-13  9:47                                                   ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-07-13  9:18                                                 ` Damien Doligez
2004-07-13  9:56                                                   ` [Caml-list] OCaml as business model Brandon J. Van Every
2004-07-13  9:59                                                     ` Richard Jones
2004-07-13 10:50                                                       ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-07-13 11:20                                                     ` Damien Doligez
2004-07-13 12:01                                                       ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-07-14  8:05                                                 ` [Caml-list] embedded OCaml I R T
2004-07-12 10:25                                     ` Christophe TROESTLER
2004-07-13  7:06                                       ` Alex Baretta
2004-07-08 17:12                 ` Tail calls (Was Re: [Caml-list] Does Caml have slow arithmetics ?) brogoff
2004-07-08 17:23                   ` Richard Jones
2004-07-12 17:07                   ` Xavier Leroy
2004-07-12 21:13                     ` skaller
2004-07-13  7:20                       ` Xavier Leroy
2004-07-08 15:00             ` [Caml-list] Does Caml have slow arithmetics ? Brian Hurt
2004-07-08 13:30         ` Alex Baretta
2004-07-07 21:26       ` Jon Harrop
2004-07-08  5:05         ` Jacques GARRIGUE

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