From: Benjamin Geer <ben@socialtools.net>
To: james woodyatt <jhw@wetware.com>
Cc: The Caml Trade <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:50:26 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <408BA602.5090506@socialtools.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <93448C92-9685-11D8-891D-000A958FF2FE@wetware.com>
james woodyatt wrote:
> On 23 Apr 2004, at 14:33, John Goerzen wrote:
>> A plethora of mutually-incompatible modules that duplicate and extend
>> standard library features is in nobody's interest. The result will be
>> an irrelevant standard library and a fragmented development community.
>
> Yeah— that was such a huge roadblock to the popularity of the C language.
The fact that people often heroically manage to make nearly impossible
situations livable is not a reason for creating such situations on purpose.
> A vibrant community of people outside INRIA developing independent [even
> mutually-incompatible] extensions to the distribution libraries is in
> *everybody's* interest.
Are you joking? Have you ever tried to write a program using several
mutually incompatible libraries?
Before C++ had STL, everyone wrote their own string class. Surely you
can imagine the resulting contortions when libraries with different
string classes had to be used together. If an application programmer
constantly has to translate between different libraries' conceptions of
string, I/O channel or Internet address, the result is not simply
endless annoyance (it is really a pain to write and use that sort of
glue code constantly); more importantly, it makes applications
unreadable and unmaintainable.
I work in a domain where integration of many applications and libraries
is essential. With all its faults, at least Java has standard String,
InputStream and InetAddress classes. Life without these things would be
a nightmare.
Ben
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2004-04-23 18:51 John Goerzen
2004-04-23 19:52 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-23 20:09 ` Alexander V. Voinov
2004-04-23 20:27 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 20:23 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 20:36 ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:10 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 21:12 ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:18 ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:32 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-23 21:46 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 21:58 ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-24 8:15 ` Matthieu BRUCHER
2004-04-24 8:15 ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:36 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 21:33 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 22:04 ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-24 4:26 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-24 8:13 ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-24 9:28 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-25 8:56 ` Common IO structure (was Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-25 11:54 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 14:53 ` [Caml-list] Re: Common IO structure Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-26 21:02 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-25 19:42 ` Common IO structure (was Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 13:16 ` [Caml-list] Re: Common IO structure Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-26 13:53 ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-26 14:26 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28 6:52 ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-26 14:23 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 14:55 ` skaller
2004-04-26 15:26 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-26 19:28 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 20:56 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 21:14 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-26 22:32 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 21:52 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-27 16:00 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 21:51 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-27 19:08 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-27 22:22 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-28 7:42 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-29 10:13 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 15:43 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 16:17 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-27 16:58 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 23:35 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-28 3:44 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 13:01 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-28 21:30 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-28 21:44 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 22:41 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 11:51 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 12:03 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 15:16 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 10:27 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-29 13:03 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 13:40 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-29 14:02 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 15:31 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-29 17:31 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-29 23:53 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-30 4:10 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-29 11:23 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 12:23 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 15:10 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 15:35 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 15:46 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 15:58 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 20:41 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 22:35 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-05-01 14:37 ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-29 13:23 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 14:12 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 15:37 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-28 7:05 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28 0:20 ` skaller
2004-04-28 3:39 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 13:04 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-24 9:40 ` [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library Oliver Bandel
2004-04-23 22:54 ` Henri DF
2004-04-23 23:11 ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-25 6:55 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-25 7:56 ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-25 11:50 ` Benjamin Geer [this message]
2004-04-25 13:55 ` skaller
2004-04-26 12:08 ` Martin Berger
2004-04-26 12:51 ` skaller
2004-04-26 14:49 ` skaller
2004-04-28 4:31 ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-28 5:13 ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-28 8:37 ` skaller
2004-04-28 9:18 ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-28 11:24 ` skaller
2004-04-28 15:18 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 16:28 ` skaller
2004-04-28 18:02 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 0:54 ` skaller
2004-04-29 11:57 ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-29 13:38 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 18:42 ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-29 1:03 ` skaller
2004-04-29 1:56 ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-29 2:35 ` skaller
2004-04-29 3:00 ` skaller
2004-04-29 5:04 ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-29 5:38 ` skaller
2004-04-29 5:47 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-29 12:05 ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-28 17:07 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-28 17:31 ` skaller
2004-05-03 0:02 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 7:54 ` skaller
2004-05-03 8:58 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 10:58 ` skaller
2004-05-03 12:40 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 13:04 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-05-03 14:24 ` brogoff
2004-05-03 15:26 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 15:08 ` skaller
2004-05-03 16:00 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 11:32 ` [Caml-list] Re: Tail-calls in C code (was: [ANN] The Missing Library) Wolfgang Lux
2004-05-03 12:34 ` skaller
2004-05-03 12:38 ` skaller
2004-05-03 12:55 ` skaller
2004-05-03 13:02 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-04-28 15:15 ` [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library John Goerzen
2004-04-28 20:43 ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-30 15:58 ` Brian Hurt
2004-05-01 2:48 ` skaller
2004-04-28 8:24 ` skaller
2004-04-28 8:42 ` Martin Berger
2004-04-28 11:38 ` skaller
2004-04-28 16:07 ` [Caml-list] " Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2004-04-28 11:31 ` [Caml-list] " Yaron M. Minsky
2004-04-28 12:09 ` skaller
2004-04-28 12:36 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28 13:39 ` skaller
2004-04-28 14:02 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28 15:34 ` skaller
2004-04-28 13:15 ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-04-28 14:31 ` skaller
2004-04-28 14:40 ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-04-28 15:51 ` skaller
2004-04-28 13:29 ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-28 16:10 ` [Caml-list] " Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2004-04-28 17:14 ` skaller
2004-04-28 17:34 ` Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2004-04-28 20:00 ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-25 12:20 ` [Caml-list] " Benjamin Geer
2004-04-25 14:06 ` skaller
2004-04-25 15:07 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-26 0:19 ` skaller
2004-04-23 22:08 ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2004-04-24 4:40 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-24 10:10 ` Oliver Bandel
2004-04-24 19:31 ` skaller
2004-04-23 20:54 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-23 21:07 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-25 15:43 ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-26 0:22 ` skaller
2004-04-28 4:10 ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-26 6:48 ` Florian Hars
2004-04-23 20:41 ` Eric C. Cooper
2004-04-23 21:16 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 22:28 ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-23 22:37 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-23 23:16 ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-24 1:38 ` [Caml-list] ocamlopt -pack portability John Carr
2004-04-24 10:31 ` Oliver Bandel
2004-04-24 16:53 ` John Carr
2004-04-24 4:46 ` [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library John Goerzen
2004-04-24 2:43 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-24 9:19 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-24 12:27 ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-24 12:58 ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-24 17:36 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 14:49 ` Florian Hars
2004-04-24 2:44 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-24 4:51 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-24 5:11 ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-24 12:59 ` Proposal: community standard library project (was: Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Benjamin Geer
2004-04-24 17:29 ` [Caml-list] RE: Proposal: community standard library project Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-24 18:23 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-25 4:37 ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-26 1:45 ` [Caml-list] " Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-26 3:03 ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-26 7:43 ` Martin Jambon
2004-04-26 18:25 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-26 19:37 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 20:24 ` skaller
2004-04-26 20:39 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-26 22:17 ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-27 9:06 ` skaller
2004-04-27 9:35 ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-27 11:29 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-27 12:52 ` skaller
2004-04-27 18:13 ` [Caml-list] CVS labeling (was Re: Proposal: community standard library project) Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-27 18:53 ` John Goerzen
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