From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1781DBDCB for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:16:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.205]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j7U7GK7S014063 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:16:20 +0200 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a4so337324nfc for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:16:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qC1DBXfEONCncBBcSGcHZXss+XvogA6ynyU/1vgDd7w/O8XOK8z/uG5AxmFy7MPuCq6qWeu8FnE7mPtJdG/P39Hsfc2fB44rufvbR5xQtY+3JQfskJgYCO6lIDw/00DG/0T7DRc5YDDohc/7Z7I7KD0NsyddFhQU23vDqzksQnk= Received: by 10.48.157.15 with SMTP id f15mr326295nfe; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.42.9 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3d13dcfc050830001671d0974f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:16:20 +0200 From: David MENTRE Reply-To: To: Jon Harrop Subject: GUI for OCaml (was: Re: [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future?) Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr In-Reply-To: <200508292333.59714.jon@ffconsultancy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4311DA63.4010104@havenrock.com> <200508292333.59714.jon@ffconsultancy.com> X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 431407C4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; ocaml:01 caml-list:01 labltk:01 lablgtk:01 lablgtk:01 fpls:01 ocaml:01 guis:01 macos:01 structures:01 behaviour:01 jacques:01 widgets:01 data:02 native:02 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_BY_IP,REPLY_TO_EMPTY autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 Hello, 2005/8/30, Jon Harrop : > I had tried lablgtk before but failed to get to grips with it.=20 The client of my application is also written in Lablgtk2 and, despite helpful answers by Jacques Garrigue and Olivier Andrieux as well as SooHyoung Oh's tutorials, I find programming with Labgtk2 not very easy (to say the least). I find Lablgtk2 is largely under-documented. Of course, this is a large task that cannot be achieved by two individuals. > I think it would be more constructive to create a decent cross-platform G= UI > library from the ground up for FPLs/OCaml. This wouldn't need to be anyth= ing > fancy, just easy access to the simplest GUI elements to start with. I'd l= ike > to see GUIs described by purely functional data structures.=20 I'd also loved too. Having a cross-platform GUI (with native look and behaviour on Windows and MacOS X), programmed using a functional style, well documented (with reference manual and tutorial) and with necessary tools (GUI design application) would be very very helpful. However this is a huge task. To add on your initial question: 1. do you think a minimal part of the OCaml community could aggregate to ensure the long term maintainability of the toolkit? 2. how to have a modern look (with whatever definition you might find for it) which *is* a discriminant point when choosing a GUI? 3. how to respond to toolkit's users that need to have more "exotic" widgets/systems? Yours, david