From: Alessandro Baretta <alex@baretta.com>
To: Oleg <oleg_inconnu@myrealbox.com>, ocaml <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] productivity improvement
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:43:45 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D37ED61.40209@baretta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200207190956.FAA29574@dewberry.cc.columbia.edu>
Oleg wrote:
> On Friday 19 July 2002 12:42 am, Emmanuel Renieris wrote:
>
>>I see two ways to weed through this list:
>>Tell us what _you_ find hard/awkward/impossible in C++. Maybe somebody
>>will be able to point out how they are easier in Ocaml (if indeed they
>>are).
>
>
> The first thing that comes to mind: a program that would read, write, listen,
> look, speak, comprehend and pass the Turing test seems to be hard to create
> in C++. So hard, I've never tried[1] I'm not sure if it's the language
> though, although it could be.
To think of it, I never tried running the hundred meter dash
in 9.50s... Did anyone ever pass the Turing test anyway?
>>Show us some of your ocaml code. Maybe there is some idiom you don't
>>have yet, and that would make a difference.
>
>
> Since this is the second time I'm asked, I will have to do that, even though
> the program is really straight-forward, silly and uninstructive. Description
> first, code at the end: Sometimes, when I feel like being organized and
> productive[2], which happens no more than thrice per fortnight, I plan things
> to do in advance and estimate time it will take me to do them: I edit a file
> containing a list of tasks and time in minutes, e.g.
>
> <stdin>
> finish reading chapter 13 of ocaml book 30
> Determine Dr. Leroy's involvement in JFK assassination 180
> call dad 20
> have supper 20
> Go through T&R level in Halo in Legendary mode 30000
> </stdin>
>
> The program reads it from STDIN, calculates completion times and formats
> everything into a neat HTML table in STDOUT. I have a bash alias that glues
> VIM, this program and browser together, of course.
>
> Oleg
>
> [1] I'm not kidding. It really is hard.
> [2] And I actually am much more productive when I do that
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> let print_aux hours minutes =
> if hours < 10 then print_char ' ';
> print_int hours;
> print_char ':';
> if minutes < 10 then print_char '0';
> print_int minutes;;
let print_aux h m = printf
(if minutes < 10 then "%2d:0%1d" else "%2d:%2d") h m
One line vs. 5
> let print_time m =
> let m = m mod (60*24) in
> let hours = m / 60 in
> let hours = hours mod 24 in
> let hours = if hours > 12 then hours - 12 else hours in
> let tag = if m >= 12*60 then "pm" else "am" in
> let minutes = m mod 60 in
> print_aux hours minutes;
> print_string tag;;
let print_time m = print_aux
(m mod 60) (m / (60*24) mod 12);
print_string
(if m mod (60*24) >= 12*60 then "pm" else "am")
3 vs. 8
If you continue to program more or less the same way you
would in C you cannot notice any improvement. The language
is functional. Don't think in terms of assignments. Don't
redefine an identifier (hours). Use functions: apply them to
expressions. You ought to think in terms of computations as
opposed to operations.
I have no more time now. Good bye.
Alex
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2002-07-18 23:14 ` Oleg
2002-07-18 23:27 ` Brian Smith
2002-07-18 23:54 ` William Lovas
2002-07-19 3:59 ` Oleg
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2002-07-19 8:22 ` Oleg
2002-07-19 8:57 ` Andreas Rossberg
2002-07-19 10:14 ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 18:15 ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 18:33 ` Brian Smith
2002-07-20 17:30 ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 19:06 ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-20 17:49 ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 10:34 ` Oleg
2002-07-19 17:25 ` Andreas Rossberg
2002-07-20 16:58 ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 16:35 ` Brian Rogoff
2002-10-16 23:24 ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-19 1:25 ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 4:04 ` Oleg
2002-07-19 15:46 ` [Caml-list] Rule based language [was: productivity improvement] Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 17:20 ` [Caml-list] compact.c Julie Farago
2002-10-15 9:31 ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Eray Ozkural
2002-10-15 12:34 ` Oleg
2002-10-15 15:08 ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-19 4:42 ` Emmanuel Renieris
2002-07-19 9:57 ` Oleg
2002-07-19 10:43 ` Alessandro Baretta [this message]
2002-07-19 10:52 ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-07-19 11:36 ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 11:10 ` Xavier Leroy
2002-10-15 9:24 ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-15 18:47 ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2002-10-17 0:12 ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-17 9:34 ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2002-10-17 15:55 ` Jeffrey Palmer
2002-10-17 16:15 ` brogoff
2002-10-17 18:21 ` [Caml-list] Re: Camlp4 optimizations (was: productivity improvement) Christophe TROESTLER
2002-10-17 18:32 ` Chris Hecker
2002-10-17 19:08 ` Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2002-10-17 20:01 ` Chris Hecker
2002-10-17 19:36 ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-10-17 19:59 ` Brian Hurt
2002-10-17 20:22 ` Chris Hecker
2002-10-17 21:19 ` Brian Hurt
2002-10-17 21:37 ` Jeffrey Palmer
2002-10-17 23:55 ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-10-18 0:57 ` Jeffrey Palmer
2002-10-18 4:21 ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-10-18 8:23 ` Remi VANICAT
2002-10-18 8:46 ` Sven Luther
2002-10-18 1:47 ` Brian Hurt
2002-10-17 23:03 ` Chris Hecker
2002-10-18 23:55 ` brogoff
2002-10-18 10:43 ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2002-10-21 8:57 ` Francois Pottier
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2002-07-21 13:00 ` [Caml-list] Rule based language [was: productivity improvement] Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-23 9:53 ` Oleg
2002-07-24 8:07 ` Alessandro Baretta
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2002-07-09 20:16 ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Oleg
2002-07-08 19:53 Oleg
2002-07-08 20:14 ` Michael Vanier
2002-07-10 15:50 ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-10 18:56 ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-10 19:09 ` Jun P.FURUSE
2002-07-11 23:43 ` Pierre Weis
2002-07-09 12:45 ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2002-07-09 18:20 ` Shannon --jj Behrens
2002-07-09 19:16 ` Oleg
2002-07-09 20:31 ` Shannon --jj Behrens
2002-07-10 10:02 ` sebastien FURIC
2002-07-10 11:58 ` Dave Mason
2002-07-10 13:11 ` sebastien FURIC
2002-07-10 19:22 ` nadji
2002-07-10 15:39 ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-11 8:57 ` Nicolas barnier
2002-07-16 3:34 ` Oleg
2002-10-18 3:13 ` Eray Ozkural
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