From: "Luca de Alfaro" <luca@dealfaro.org>
To: "Inria Ocaml Mailing List" <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] If OCaml were a car
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:04:31 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <28fa90930708212304v50d778e6u442f9f7cf8c1793e@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070819171953.GB20931@takhisis.invalid>
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Backward compatibility is of the UTMOST importance.
Developers tend to assume that people who wrote package X can always adapt
it to new conventions, but often this is just not true: the developers may
be working on other things now, their interests may have shifted, and great
packages get left behind and are eventually lost.
Let's make an example: George Necula in Berkeley wrote (with his students)
CIL, a superb front-end to C code analysis. Suppose the Ocaml syntax
changes in a non-trivial way. Would he be willing, and have time, to fix
CIL? To spend his time in a job with zero innovation content, and lots of
frustration? It is anyone's bet. And what about in five years from now?
Who knows?
There is a point in which people move on, and it is very important that
software continues to work in a stable way, or we are losing great work all
the time -- and there is some great work that is not easy at all to redo.
Yes, the language survives, but the software not always.
Luca
On 8/19/07, Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@bononia.it> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 06:07:16PM +0100, Richard Jones wrote:
> > It's not likely that the syntax can be changed (how is the revised
> > syntax doing lately?) but there is one error message which could be
>
> Well, yes, the syntax can be changed and it isn't hard either.
>
> It's just a matter of stating something like «from version x.y the
> official syntax is the revised one, you can use the provided converter
> for migrating your old code to the new syntax». Other languages have
> seen similar migrations in the past and they survived.
>
> Point is that upstream OCaml authors have never acknowledged that the
> current syntax is more than sub-optimal and the fear of missing backward
> compatibility has done the rest.
>
> The revised syntax is far better, but there has never been the
> willingness to push it.
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
> Stefano Zacchiroli -*- PhD in Computer Science ............... now what?
> zack@{cs.unibo.it,debian.org,bononia.it} -%- http://www.bononia.it/zack/
> (15:56:48) Zack: e la demo dema ? /\ All one has to do is hit the
> (15:57:15) Bac: no, la demo scema \/ right keys at the right time
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-08-22 6:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-08-18 19:21 Richard Jones
2007-08-18 20:24 ` [Caml-list] " Jeff Meister
2007-08-18 21:32 ` Michael Vanier
2007-08-19 11:50 ` Daniel Bünzli
2007-08-19 11:59 ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2007-08-22 5:50 ` Luca de Alfaro
2007-08-22 8:13 ` Jon Harrop
2007-08-22 9:20 ` Jacques Garrigue
2007-08-24 2:54 ` Nathaniel Gray
2007-08-25 19:45 ` Oliver Bandel
2007-08-19 14:43 ` John Carr
2007-08-19 16:22 ` brogoff
2007-08-19 17:07 ` Richard Jones
2007-08-19 17:19 ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2007-08-22 6:04 ` Luca de Alfaro [this message]
2007-08-19 20:51 ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-08-21 8:05 ` David Allsopp
2007-08-21 18:33 ` Richard Jones
2007-08-19 20:30 ` Tom
2007-08-19 21:45 ` skaller
2007-08-20 3:37 ` Jon Harrop
2007-08-20 6:26 ` skaller
2007-08-20 10:00 ` Joerg van den Hoff
2007-08-21 12:03 ` Florian Hars
2007-08-20 6:54 ` skaller
2007-08-20 19:54 ` Oliver Bandel
2007-08-20 20:27 ` David Allsopp
2007-08-20 20:50 ` Ulf Wiger (TN/EAB)
2007-08-21 10:56 ` Joerg van den Hoff
2007-08-20 21:13 ` Oliver Bandel
2007-08-21 0:47 ` skaller
2007-08-21 9:51 ` Oliver Bandel
2007-08-21 10:30 ` skaller
2007-08-21 18:57 ` Richard Jones
2007-08-22 2:49 ` skaller
2007-08-22 11:33 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-08-21 14:46 ` Business Adoption of Ocaml [was Re: [Caml-list] If OCaml were a car] Robert Fischer
2007-08-21 15:09 ` Brian Hurt
2007-08-21 15:48 ` [Caml-list] If OCaml were a car brogoff
2007-08-19 18:15 [caml-list] " Mike Lin
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