From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA17965; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:18:39 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17553 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:18:37 +0100 (MET) X-SPAM-Warning: Sending machine is listed in blackholes.five-ten-sg.com Received: from oxy.exomi.com (ua183d70hel.dial.kolumbus.fi [62.248.249.183]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2KDJ0KW027695 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:19:05 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oxy.exomi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8277C182DE3; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:19:01 +0200 (EET) In-Reply-To: <20040320064955.84346.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040320064955.84346.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <26991CF8-7A71-11D8-966B-000393863F70@exomi.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Matt Gushee , caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr From: Ville-Pertti Keinonen Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: Proposed community structure (was Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:19:00 +0200 To: Vasili Galchin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-Miltered: at nez-perce by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 ocaml's:01 gcc:01 gcc:01 model:01 model:01 kernel:01 ocaml:01 ocaml:01 imho:01 groups:01 wrote:03 library:03 sufficient:04 cathedral:95 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk X-Keywords: X-UID: 270 On Mar 20, 2004, at 8:49 AM, Vasili Galchin wrote: I'm not sure what you're presenting these names as examples of, but IMHO... > Linus Torvalds He's done good job maintaining the Linux kernel, but maybe wouldn't be that good of a compiler-writer (probably just lack of experience in that area), see e.g.: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2002-08/msg00544.html The single lead developer model is a good development model, though. > Eric Raymond ... It's nice to have someone extroverted speak for you when you agree with him, but people who feel a need to insult those that don't agree with them (see http://www.catb.org/~esr/aim/ for a non-technical example) are probably not the most trustworthy community-builders... If anything, the OCaml developers seem like one of the most reasonable groups of developers I've seen (not that I've actually seen any of them in person). The core works well, and its development methods seem to be working. As for the community/library side...planning on committees or on the lack thereof is probably premature. Successful communities don't seem to organize by planning, but by accident. Once there is sufficient weight behind the effort, that's when it should be evident what needs to be adjusted; nothing needs to be set in stone from the start. Personally, I don't think becoming popular is important, or that something has failed if it doesn't. Besides, OCaml actually already seems to be gaining quite a bit of attention. ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners