From: Oleg <oleg@okmij.org>
To: gabriel.scherer@gmail.com
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] destructive local opens
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 22:55:26 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150819135526.GA2204@Magus.sf-private> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAN=ouMQ-=dr7FyvPTEcF0wgBDsF5xyOxBb0roerckHCs0f0WnQ@mail.gmail.com>
[Since this discussion still continues, I think I will comment on
Gabriel's comment after all.]
"It is remarkable that programming languages have avoided introducing
explicit weakening (the popping of a symbol out of scope) for now, and
I think it is a property that should be preserved. We're not yet ready
to go there."
Actually there have been proposals to go into that direction, about 30
years ago.
http://research.microsoft.com/lampson/39-Pebble/39-PebbleAbstract.htm
Please look at p 287 of the paper: ``Pebble also has an anti-LET,
which impoverishes the environment instead of enriching it.'' This is
exactly the issue under discussion in this thread.
[It is amazingly that the paper tackles the issues we are still
struggling with today, including dependent types. It reads
surprisingly modern...]
There is an independent motivation for restricting the environment:
syntactic conditional independence. If two stochastic expressions
share no variables, the are independent and conditionally
independent. Alas, this syntactic test -- which David McAllister likes
very much [see his presentation at the workshop on probabilistic
programming at NIPS 2008] -- has limited applicability since many
expressions are in the scope of many let-bindings (even though a
particular expression depends on a fraction of all the bindings in
scope). It would be great to have a construct to remove bindings from
scope, to strengthen so to speak.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-08-19 13:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-08-03 13:39 Nils Becker
2015-08-03 13:43 ` Thomas Refis
2015-08-03 13:45 ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-08-03 13:47 ` Daniel Bünzli
[not found] ` <55BF75F6.1040006@bioquant.uni-heidelberg.de>
2015-08-03 14:24 ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-08-03 14:37 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-08-03 14:43 ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-08-03 15:10 ` octachron
2015-08-03 15:22 ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-08-03 16:13 ` octachron
2015-08-03 16:51 ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-08-03 17:18 ` Hendrik Boom
2015-08-03 17:59 ` octachron
2015-08-06 13:23 ` RE : " moreno pedro
2015-08-04 6:51 ` Petter Urkedal
2015-08-04 9:33 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-05 6:40 ` Petter A. Urkedal
2015-08-05 10:16 ` David Allsopp
2015-08-06 9:35 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-04 13:50 ` Hendrik Boom
2015-08-04 9:26 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-04 9:38 ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-08-04 12:26 ` vrotaru.md
2015-08-04 13:12 ` David Allsopp
2015-08-04 13:17 ` Jeremy Yallop
2015-08-04 13:54 ` vrotaru.md
2015-08-04 15:25 ` Drup
2015-08-04 22:22 ` vrotaru.md
2015-08-04 22:55 ` Hendrik Boom
2015-08-05 4:52 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-08-04 13:14 ` Ivan Gotovchits
2015-08-14 10:55 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-14 11:28 ` Drup
2015-08-18 11:11 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-18 12:52 ` David Allsopp
2015-08-18 13:00 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-08-18 22:26 ` Anthony Tavener
2015-08-19 13:55 ` Oleg [this message]
2015-08-19 14:13 ` John Whitington
2015-08-19 15:47 ` Hendrik Boom
2015-08-19 15:52 ` Hendrik Boom
2015-08-19 18:09 ` Anthony Tavener
2015-08-19 15:55 ` Simon Cruanes
2015-08-19 16:42 ` Arthur Wendling
2015-08-19 21:15 ` octachron
2015-08-20 8:06 ` Romain Bardou
2015-08-20 17:03 ` Yotam Barnoy
2015-08-20 19:19 ` Erkki Seppala
2015-08-06 9:23 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-06 9:21 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-06 10:19 ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-08-06 13:36 ` Hendrik Boom
2015-08-14 10:57 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-17 10:17 Nils Becker
2015-08-17 14:26 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-08-17 15:11 ` Nils Becker
2015-08-17 15:17 ` Drup
2015-08-17 15:18 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-08-17 18:31 ` Hendrik Boom
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