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From: Oleg <oleg@okmij.org>
To: gabriel.scherer@gmail.com
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] destructive local opens
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 22:55:26 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150819135526.GA2204@Magus.sf-private> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAN=ouMQ-=dr7FyvPTEcF0wgBDsF5xyOxBb0roerckHCs0f0WnQ@mail.gmail.com>


[Since this discussion still continues, I think I will comment on
Gabriel's comment after all.]

 "It is remarkable that programming languages have avoided introducing
  explicit weakening (the popping of a symbol out of scope) for now, and
  I think it is a property that should be preserved. We're not yet ready
  to go there."

Actually there have been proposals to go into that direction, about 30
years ago.

	http://research.microsoft.com/lampson/39-Pebble/39-PebbleAbstract.htm

Please look at p 287 of the paper: ``Pebble also has an anti-LET,
which impoverishes the environment instead of enriching it.'' This is
exactly the issue under discussion in this thread.

[It is amazingly that the paper tackles the issues we are still
struggling with today, including dependent types. It reads
surprisingly modern...]

There is an independent motivation for restricting the environment:
syntactic conditional independence. If two stochastic expressions
share no variables, the are independent and conditionally
independent. Alas, this syntactic test -- which David McAllister likes
very much [see his presentation at the workshop on probabilistic
programming at NIPS 2008] -- has limited applicability since many
expressions are in the scope of many let-bindings (even though a
particular expression depends on a fraction of all the bindings in
scope). It would be great to have a construct to remove bindings from
scope, to strengthen so to speak.


  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-19 13:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-03 13:39 Nils Becker
2015-08-03 13:43 ` Thomas Refis
2015-08-03 13:45 ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-08-03 13:47   ` Daniel Bünzli
     [not found]     ` <55BF75F6.1040006@bioquant.uni-heidelberg.de>
2015-08-03 14:24       ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-08-03 14:37         ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-08-03 14:43           ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-08-03 15:10           ` octachron
2015-08-03 15:22             ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-08-03 16:13               ` octachron
2015-08-03 16:51                 ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-08-03 17:18                   ` Hendrik Boom
2015-08-03 17:59                   ` octachron
2015-08-06 13:23                     ` RE : " moreno pedro
2015-08-04  6:51         ` Petter Urkedal
2015-08-04  9:33           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-05  6:40             ` Petter A. Urkedal
2015-08-05 10:16               ` David Allsopp
2015-08-06  9:35               ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-04 13:50           ` Hendrik Boom
2015-08-04  9:26         ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-04  9:38           ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-08-04 12:26             ` vrotaru.md
2015-08-04 13:12               ` David Allsopp
2015-08-04 13:17                 ` Jeremy Yallop
2015-08-04 13:54                   ` vrotaru.md
2015-08-04 15:25                   ` Drup
2015-08-04 22:22                     ` vrotaru.md
2015-08-04 22:55                       ` Hendrik Boom
2015-08-05  4:52                         ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-08-04 13:14               ` Ivan Gotovchits
2015-08-14 10:55                 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-14 11:28                   ` Drup
2015-08-18 11:11                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-18 12:52                       ` David Allsopp
2015-08-18 13:00                         ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-08-18 22:26                           ` Anthony Tavener
2015-08-19 13:55                             ` Oleg [this message]
2015-08-19 14:13                               ` John Whitington
2015-08-19 15:47                                 ` Hendrik Boom
2015-08-19 15:52                             ` Hendrik Boom
2015-08-19 18:09                               ` Anthony Tavener
2015-08-19 15:55                             ` Simon Cruanes
2015-08-19 16:42                               ` Arthur Wendling
2015-08-19 21:15                               ` octachron
2015-08-20  8:06                                 ` Romain Bardou
2015-08-20 17:03                                   ` Yotam Barnoy
2015-08-20 19:19                                     ` Erkki Seppala
2015-08-06  9:23               ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-06  9:21             ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-06 10:19               ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-08-06 13:36                 ` Hendrik Boom
2015-08-14 10:57                   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-08-17 10:17 Nils Becker
2015-08-17 14:26 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-08-17 15:11   ` Nils Becker
2015-08-17 15:17     ` Drup
2015-08-17 15:18     ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-08-17 18:31       ` Hendrik Boom

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