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From: Gabriel Kerneis <gabriel@kerneis.info>
To: Tom Ridge <tom.j.ridge+caml@googlemail.com>
Cc: Xavier Leroy <Xavier.Leroy@inria.fr>, caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Thread behaviour
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:56:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130930165651.GA4207@kerneis.info> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABooLwOstn7yCXwGr_6n62tKN5ZPDoLbr-7=pSRMdmUQptuYYA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 04:12:23PM +0100, Tom Ridge wrote:
> > It all depends on the whim of the OS scheduler.  OCaml has no control
> > over it.  And you shoudn't expect any kind of fairness from the OS
> > scheduler, esp. Linux's, which gladly jettisons any pretense of
> > fairness in the hope of getting better throughput.
> 
> Ah! You are saying that the problem (maybe) lies with the Linux scheduler.
> This had never occurred to me. Probably because I assumed the Linux
> phrase "completely fair scheduler" meant something (although
> admittedly, I never tried to find out what).

A bit of off-topic Linux history for those interested:

The behaviour of sched_yield() changed in Linux 2.6.23 (with the
introduction of the CFS), to adopt a semantics where it does not yield,
but only reduces the priority of the calling thread.  This change has
been debated a lot, in particular because it broke many Java
applications.  As a work-around, a kernel variable (sched_compat_yield)
was introduced to optionnally recover the original behaviour; the
rationale for the change was that sched_yield is arguably ill-specified
and programs should not rely on it but use (non-portable and tricky)
futexes, or (portable) mutexes instead.

The variable sched_compat_yield has been remove in Linux 2.6.39, with no
clear rationale, during one of the many refactoring of the CFS.

As a matter of fact, this change also broke OCaml scheduling.  Nowadays,
sched_yield() is disabled in the ocaml runtime on Linux.  Have a look at
http://caml.inria.fr/mantis/view.php?id=2663 for more details on the
caml-side of the story (in French).

-- 
Gabriel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-09-30 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-27 10:10 Tom Ridge
2013-09-27 10:22 ` Simon Cruanes
2013-09-27 10:27 ` Romain Bardou
2013-09-27 10:51   ` Benedikt Grundmann
2013-09-28 19:09     ` Tom Ridge
2013-09-29  7:54       ` Tom Ridge
2013-09-29 12:37         ` Yaron Minsky
2013-09-29 16:25           ` Tom Ridge
2013-09-29 16:46             ` Chet Murthy
2013-09-29 17:18               ` Tom Ridge
2013-09-29 17:47                 ` Chet Murthy
2013-09-30  8:24                   ` Romain Bardou
2013-10-07 14:57                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2013-09-30  8:16       ` Romain Bardou
2013-10-01  3:32         ` Ivan Gotovchits
2013-10-07 14:49       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2013-09-30  9:18 ` Xavier Leroy
2013-09-30 15:12   ` Tom Ridge
2013-09-30 16:01     ` Török Edwin
2013-09-30 16:56     ` Gabriel Kerneis [this message]
2013-09-30 18:18       ` Alain Frisch
2013-10-01  5:01   ` Pierre Chambart
2013-10-01  7:21     ` Gabriel Kerneis
2013-10-02 10:37     ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-10-02 11:52       ` Francois Berenger
2013-10-02 11:58         ` Wojciech Meyer

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