From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A49017EE51 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 06:20:13 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of mle+ocaml@mega-nerd.com) identity=pra; client-ip=203.206.230.162; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="mle+ocaml@mega-nerd.com"; x-sender="mle+ocaml@mega-nerd.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Pass (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: domain of mle+ocaml@mega-nerd.com designates 203.206.230.162 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=203.206.230.162; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="mle+ocaml@mega-nerd.com"; x-sender="mle+ocaml@mega-nerd.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@hendrix.mega-nerd.net) identity=helo; client-ip=203.206.230.162; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="mle+ocaml@mega-nerd.com"; x-sender="postmaster@hendrix.mega-nerd.net"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmoFACwwpFHLzuai/2dsb2JhbABagwgwwgyBCRZ0giMBAQQBOjMcCxguPRqIIAW8H41QgVQWgz4DlzqRQYMhKg X-IPAS-Result: AmoFACwwpFHLzuai/2dsb2JhbABagwgwwgyBCRZ0giMBAQQBOjMcCxguPRqIIAW8H41QgVQWgz4DlzqRQYMhKg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,755,1363129200"; d="scan'208";a="19218506" Received: from hendrix.mega-nerd.net ([203.206.230.162]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 28 May 2013 06:20:10 +0200 Received: from rollins.mnn (pharoah-vpn [10.9.8.2]) by hendrix.mega-nerd.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 54E77106DF9 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 14:20:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 14:20:08 +1000 From: Erik de Castro Lopo To: caml-list@inria.fr Message-Id: <20130528142008.580d16815937634b8b4e4d93@mega-nerd.com> In-Reply-To: <51A353BE.5030009@freenet.de> References: <20130523235355.GI6510@siouxsie> <20130526150008.GA2014@siouxsie> <20130526234911.41866xca7wgoirfb@webmail.in-berlin.de> <51A30E01.5070300@freenet.de> <20130527185345.e01a7733ac652f89f4e400f7@mega-nerd.com> <51A353BE.5030009@freenet.de> Reply-To: caml-list@inria.fr Organization: Erik Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problems to get larger user base ... (Re: [Caml-list] OCaml's variables) Mr. Herr wrote: > > Am 27.05.2013 10:53, schrieb Erik de Castro Lopo: > > Mr. Herr wrote: > >> I think the biggest problem is you generally can only learn FP and/or Ocaml at > >> university, because: > >> > >> The FP terminology is at first (and a long time after starting learning it), without > >> a teacher, not understandable. > > Sorry, that's simply not true. > > > > I studied my last univeristy course in 1992. I picked up Ocaml in 2004 > > and Haskell in 2008. Before Ocaml, the only functional language I had > > used was scheme in the late 1980s. > > > > Scheme is terribly functional, so to say, and is absolutely immerged in the Lispy slang. > All your knowlegde in C, Java, PHP, Assembler, Tcl/Tk, Pascal ... will not help you > there. > > I started as an IBM /370 Systems Admin in the late nineties, and it took me months of > reading in 2012 > to get some understanding about what the heck the scheme people are talking about. > > Scheme is even a better example for the problems non university learners encounter, > than Ocaml, IMO. > > Your point of view is rather supporting mine. No it isn't. I studied 6 months of Scheme in my first year of university in the late 1980s and never touched it again. *All* the Scheme I might have learned in the late 1980s had been forgotten by the time I picked up Ocaml in 2004. Erik -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/