From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.3 Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9627BBCA for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 09:45:12 +0200 (CEST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQBANudI0jAXQIniGdsb2JhbACSBgEBAQ8gmRI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,459,1204498800"; d="scan'208";a="10538358" Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 09 May 2008 09:45:12 +0200 Received: from mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.82]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m497jCRT020954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 09:45:12 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQBANudI0hQRFuwiGdsb2JhbACSBgEBAQ8gmRI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,459,1204498800"; d="scan'208";a="12023623" Received: from furbychan.cocan.org ([80.68.91.176]) by mail1-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 09 May 2008 09:45:11 +0200 Received: from rich by furbychan.cocan.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JuNHy-0006vN-Gq for caml-list@inria.fr; Fri, 09 May 2008 08:45:10 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:45:09 +0100 To: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: Why OCaml sucks Message-ID: <20080509074509.GA25640@annexia.org> References: <200805090139.54870.jon@ffconsultancy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200805090139.54870.jon@ffconsultancy.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: Richard Jones X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 48240108.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; ocaml:01 parallelism:01 wiki:01 ocaml:01 camomile:01 imho:01 wrote:01 wrote:01 caml-list:01 strings:01 strings:01 string:02 handles:03 languages:03 fork:05 > 1. Lack of Parallelism: Yes, this is already a complete show stopper. Why can't you just fork off enough processes to cover each core? > 5. Strings: pushing unicode throughout a general purpose language is a > mistake, IMHO. This is why languages like Java and C# are so slow. I wrote an entire wiki in OCaml, it's UTF-8 clean throughout and demonstrably handles German, French, Italian, Japanese, Korean and Chinese (http://www.ocaml-tutorial.org/). I wrote another Japanese website in OCaml. To do it, I just treated strings as UTF-8. The only UTF-8-specific code in the whole thing was tiny, I think a UTF-8-sensitive string truncation function, and a little bit of collation (mostly handled by the database, but could easily have been done using Camomile). My conclusion: UTF-8 is easy. Rich. -- Richard Jones Red Hat