From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP autolearn=disabled version=3.1.3 Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5346DBC6C for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:32:01 +0100 (CET) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AglXAAILoEfUnw7VYmdsb2JhbACCNo1nFQQGCQUUBxx4nho X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,277,1199660400"; d="scan'208";a="6743052" Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net ([212.159.14.213]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 30 Jan 2008 14:32:00 +0100 Received: from [80.229.56.224] (helo=beast.local) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1JKD2m-00023V-60 for caml-list@yquem.inria.fr; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:32:00 +0000 From: Jon Harrop Organization: Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd. To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: The OCaml Community (aka back from =?utf-8?q?the=09Developer?= Days) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:26:45 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <1201439362.6302.15.camel@Blefuscu> <1201614300.24248.23.camel@flake.lan.gerd-stolpmann.de> <200801300804.06946.ober.14@osu.edu> In-Reply-To: <200801300804.06946.ober.14@osu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200801301326.45353.jon@ffconsultancy.com> X-Plusnet-Relay: 6e5661bdadf2bfed45c24e4914b5c129 X-Spam: no; 0.00; ocaml:01 merit:98 frog:98 wrote:01 volunteers:01 caml-list:01 constructive:03 productivity:04 balanced:04 aka:04 perhaps:05 profits:94 implement:06 xavier:06 inria:06 On Wednesday 30 January 2008 13:04:06 Kuba Ober wrote: > > Sorry for the direct language, but you provoked it. It is a pity to lose > > Jane Street as supporter of GODI. If you still want to enter into a > > constructive dialog, I'm open to it. > > I think that Markus's post was reasonably well balanced, and he presented a > humble view from his experience. It didn't look like bashing nor > flamethrowing to me. The facts in question can be disputed, but they really > have nothing to do about who profits from what and who pays for what. Let's > leave the economics out of the merit discussion -- doesn't that only make > sense? If I might just drag economics back in momentarily. :-) People have mentioned "volunteers" but I think it is worth pointing out that this could also be run as a business, with users paying for work that they want done. Perhaps a system of charging customers and letting them choose what work and which developer would increase overall productivity and be relatively easy to implement? INRIA could doubtless make a lot of money by doing this so I proposed the idea to Xavier but he wants to focus on research and not ordinary software development and maintainence, of course. -- Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd. http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/?e