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From: Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com>
To: Thomas Fischbacher <tf@functionality.de>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] The Implicit Accumulator: a design pattern using optional arguments
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:53:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200706281853.14015.jon@ffconsultancy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4683DB41.50801@functionality.de>

On Thursday 28 June 2007 17:01:05 you wrote:
> ...so the continuation-based approach can execute not using the GC
> at all - neither major nor minor. Sure, the OCaml GC behaves so
> nicely that it does not make a difference in terms of run-time for
> this particular small example

Yes.

> (1) is this the same if the minor heap is more complicated, as in a real
> application and 

Converting to CPS typically slows programs down IME.

> (2) shouldn't there be huge potential for optimization in the second case
> then? 

Why?

> In particular, concerning point (2), when comparing run times
> with the following bit of C code, I find that both OCaml
> variants are slower than the C variant by more than a factor
> of 3:

You are benchmarking "mod" and bounds checking.

> >>According to your usually-screwed-up metrics...
> >
> > Time taken?
>
> We are talking about your ray-tracer here.

Yes.

> For those who do not know yet, the fundamental problem with that study
> of yours is that you kept on setting the *criteria* what to consider as
> a permissible solution only after seeing the result, and doing so in
> such a way that the outcome is the one you desired, i.e. to create the
> impression OCaml were the best system around. This is not proper
> scientific behaviour.

My choice of the intermediate implementations is subjective. The shortest and 
faster are a free for all. Feel free to post a faster Lisp implementation.

-- 
Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd.
The OCaml Journal
http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/ocaml_journal/?e


  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-29  1:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-27 12:14 Jon Harrop
2007-06-27 13:18 ` [Caml-list] " Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 13:53   ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-27 14:18     ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-27 15:09     ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 15:28     ` Mattias Engdegård
2007-06-27 15:38       ` Robert Fischer
2007-06-27 15:48         ` Mattias Engdegård
2007-06-27 16:01           ` Robert Fischer
2007-06-27 16:01           ` Mattias Engdegård
2007-06-27 18:06           ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-27 18:31             ` Brian Hurt
2007-06-27 19:56               ` skaller
2007-06-27 20:17               ` Jonathan Bryant
2007-06-27 22:57               ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-27 16:53     ` Hash-consing (was Re: [Caml-list] The Implicit Accumulator: a design pattern using optional arguments) Daniel Bünzli
2007-06-30  8:19     ` [Caml-list] The Implicit Accumulator: a design pattern using optional arguments Pierre Etchemaïté
2007-06-27 13:55   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-27 15:06     ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 15:53       ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-28 11:01         ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-28 11:32           ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-28 11:42             ` Joel Reymont
2007-06-28 12:08               ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-28 13:10                 ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-28 13:35                   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-28 12:59             ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-28 13:05               ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-28 13:33                 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-28 14:43                   ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-28 16:01                     ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-28 17:53                       ` Jon Harrop [this message]
2007-06-27 16:39       ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-27 19:26         ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-28 11:39           ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-28 14:44             ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-28 16:03               ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-28 17:20                 ` Dirk Thierbach
2007-06-28 22:12                   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-29  1:10                     ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-29 10:55                       ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-29  6:12                     ` Dirk Thierbach
2007-06-27 17:16       ` Book about functional design patterns Gabriel Kerneis
2007-06-27 17:48         ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2007-06-27 19:33           ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 19:30         ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 19:48           ` Brian Hurt
2007-06-27 20:04             ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 20:35               ` Brian Hurt
2007-06-27 20:55                 ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 20:58                   ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2007-06-27 21:18                     ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 21:18                       ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2007-06-27 21:34                         ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 22:13                           ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2007-06-27 15:18     ` [Caml-list] The Implicit Accumulator: a design pattern using optional arguments Jon Harrop
2007-06-27 16:44       ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-27 18:17         ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-28 11:18           ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-29 13:15     ` Bill Wood

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