From: tab@snarc.org (Vincent Hanquez)
To: Martin Jambon <martin.jambon@ens-lyon.org>
Cc: Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com>, caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Ocaml compiler features
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:17:17 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070115221717.GA9982@snarc.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0701151031020.6318@localhost>
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 12:23:32PM -0800, Martin Jambon wrote:
> OCaml is well-enough designed so that there is no "common" syntax
> extension.
There ARE common syntax extensions.
how many people miss a try-except-finally construct ?
how many people miss a return statement to break the flow of a function.
etc ..
I'm not talking about weird extensions that ease the life of grammar
writter or lambda calculus , etc .. but really the basic one.
I still think camlp4 is a good idea for limited use like this.
> The problem is that people use it for a variety of things, and
> each domain may benefit from particular enhancements of the syntax.
> Either you incorporate all those extensions into the standard syntax,
> which is totally insane, or you consider them just as libraries. Loading
> a library is no big deal, whether it provides more functions or more
> syntax.
I'm especially not talking about all extensions, but obviously the ones
that everybody can use, whatever they works on.
> IMHO the problem is more that writing camlp4 syntax extensions is very
> different from writing everyday OCaml code. In other words,
> it is inaccessible to beginners, and most other people think it's too
> complicated anyway. It requires too much expertise and only few people are
> able to maintain such code.
What about the beginners then ?
All what you suggest below doesn't really help making it more accessible
I think.
> Here is a list of things that I suggest if one ever wants to have a
> standard and widely use way of extending the syntax in OCaml:
> [snip]
I like this special "macro" keyword and this should also be part of the
language. So does some specific construction like try-finally.
--
Vincent Hanquez
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-01-15 22:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-01-13 5:37 Edgar Friendly
2007-01-13 5:56 ` [Caml-list] " Tom
2007-01-14 17:35 ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-14 17:59 ` ketty
2007-01-14 18:21 ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-14 18:29 ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-13 7:41 ` David Baelde
2007-01-13 9:31 ` ketty
2007-01-14 17:33 ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-14 18:23 ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-14 18:41 ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-14 20:49 ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-14 23:38 ` Gabriel Kerneis
2007-01-15 0:55 ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-15 6:12 ` skaller
2007-01-15 0:05 ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-15 5:59 ` skaller
2007-01-15 20:23 ` Martin Jambon
2007-01-15 21:30 ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-15 22:13 ` Try finally (was Re: [Caml-list] Ocaml compiler features) Daniel Bünzli
2007-01-15 22:27 ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-15 22:40 ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-01-15 23:08 ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-15 22:17 ` Vincent Hanquez [this message]
2007-01-16 1:18 ` [Caml-list] Ocaml compiler features skaller
2007-01-16 2:11 ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-16 5:18 ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-16 6:36 ` skaller
2007-01-16 6:33 ` skaller
2007-01-16 13:55 ` Brian Hurt
2007-01-16 9:00 ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-16 14:14 ` skaller
2007-01-16 15:00 ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-16 17:47 ` skaller
2007-01-16 19:24 ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-17 3:28 ` skaller
2007-01-17 11:41 ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-17 12:53 ` Olivier Andrieu
2007-01-17 13:18 ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-17 14:09 ` skaller
2007-01-16 19:42 ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-16 21:15 ` Florian Weimer
2007-01-17 3:46 ` skaller
2007-01-17 11:50 ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-15 5:56 ` skaller
2007-01-15 9:35 ` Nicolas Pouillard
2007-01-15 18:28 ` Martin Jambon
2007-01-15 19:02 ` ls-ocaml-developer-2006
2007-01-14 19:01 ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-14 18:51 ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-14 20:49 ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-15 0:19 ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-20 19:19 ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-20 21:40 ` skaller
2007-01-14 21:47 ` Tom
2007-01-15 10:36 ` Richard Jones
2007-01-15 14:24 ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-16 8:45 ` Hendrik Tews
2007-01-16 9:08 ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-21 17:07 ` [Caml-list] native-code stack backtraces (was: Ocaml compiler features) Xavier Leroy
2007-01-21 18:53 ` Pierre Etchemaïté
2007-01-16 5:21 ` [Caml-list] Ocaml compiler features Edgar Friendly
2007-01-16 5:33 ` ketty
2007-01-16 6:00 ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-16 6:10 ` ketty
2007-01-16 5:55 ` Christophe TROESTLER
2007-01-16 17:51 ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-16 19:09 ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-16 19:21 ` Brian Hurt
2007-01-16 20:06 ` Jonathan Roewen
2007-01-16 20:13 ` Florian Weimer
2007-01-16 6:51 ` skaller
2007-01-16 18:01 ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-17 2:23 ` skaller
2007-01-16 8:00 ` Florian Hars
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