From: Pal-Kristian Engstad <pal_engstad@naughtydog.com>
To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Cc: Oliver Bandel <oliver@first.in-berlin.de>
Subject: Re: Ant: Re: [Caml-list] Avoiding shared data
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:07:00 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200509301707.01281.pal_engstad@naughtydog.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050930225737.GA592@first.in-berlin.de>
On Friday 30 September 2005 03:57 pm, Oliver Bandel wrote:
> On the other hand: writing mor funtional/recursive code will
> make you more used to to this...
I've always thought that this was a really bad argument from the ML camp. The
logic of complicated control-paths is very easily made a zillion times worse
by writing in a tail-recursive style. It is *not* a good programming practice
to make hard-to-read code!
I encourage people to read the paper by Olin Shivers: "The Anatomy of a Loop -
A story of scope and control", which was presented at ICFP 2005, and can be
found at http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~shivers/papers/loop.pdf.
The author argues that "Writing loops with tail-recursive function calls is
the equivalent of writing them with goto’s." and gives an example that I've
rewritten from Scheme-ish into OCaml-ish:
let myfunc l =
let rec loop rest result =
match rest with
| [] -> List.rev result
| x::xs ->
if xpred x then
let y = verbose_code_using_x x in
if ypred y then
let z = verbose_code_using_y y in
loop xs (z_expression :: result)
else
loop xs result
else
loop xs result
in
loop l []
;;
Obviously, one would like to refactor this into HOF, but in this situation it
is hard to see how one should do it. The author instead proposes to use loops
in a monadic style, which I've again rewritten:
let myfunc l =
loop [ for x in l
; when xpred x
; let y = verbose_code_using_x x
; when ypred y
; let z = verbose_code_using_y y
; save z
]
The point being (syntax aside) that this code is much more readible, easier to
change and easier to verify than the code given above. [Of course, Haskell
has the really cool list-comprehension syntax that alleviates some of ML's
problems, but still.]
Thanks,
PKE.
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Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-09-25 21:32 Martin Chabr
2005-09-26 0:23 ` [Caml-list] " Bill Wood
2005-09-26 7:57 ` Claudio Sacerdoti Coen
2005-09-26 8:17 ` William Lovas
2005-09-26 21:07 ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-09-26 22:08 ` Jon Harrop
2005-09-30 22:57 ` Oliver Bandel
2005-10-01 0:07 ` Pal-Kristian Engstad [this message]
2005-10-01 5:46 ` Bill Wood
2005-10-01 8:27 ` Wolfgang Lux
2005-10-01 18:02 ` Wolfgang Lux
2005-10-01 21:50 ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-01 12:34 ` Oliver Bandel
2005-10-01 13:58 ` Bill Wood
2005-10-01 21:05 ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-03 0:41 ` skaller
2005-10-03 1:13 ` Seth J. Fogarty
2005-10-03 13:09 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-10-03 14:57 ` skaller
2005-10-03 20:03 ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-03 20:25 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-10-03 21:08 ` Jon Harrop
2005-10-04 18:06 ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-04 18:32 ` Jon Harrop
2005-10-04 2:53 ` skaller
2005-10-04 16:15 ` Brian Hurt
2005-10-04 16:47 ` FP/IP and performance (in general) and Patterns... (Re: [Caml-list] Avoiding shared data) Oliver Bandel
2005-10-04 22:38 ` Michael Wohlwend
2005-10-05 0:31 ` Jon Harrop
2005-10-04 22:39 ` Christopher A. Watford
2005-10-04 23:14 ` Jon Harrop
2005-10-05 12:10 ` Oliver Bandel
2005-10-05 13:08 ` Jon Harrop
2005-10-05 15:28 ` skaller
2005-10-05 20:52 ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-05 23:21 ` Markus Mottl
2005-10-06 16:54 ` brogoff
2005-10-05 0:45 ` Brian Hurt
2005-10-04 18:09 ` Ant: Re: Ant: Re: Ant: Re: Ant: Re: [Caml-list] Avoiding shared data Martin Chabr
2005-10-05 8:42 ` skaller
2005-10-05 11:14 ` Andrej Bauer
2005-10-01 21:36 ` Ant: Re: Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-03 11:51 ` getting used to FP-programming (Re: Ant: Re: Ant: Re: [Caml-list] Avoiding shared data) Oliver Bandel
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2005-09-26 21:29 ` Ant: Re: [Caml-list] Avoiding shared data Martin Chabr
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