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From: Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com>
To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future?
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 01:08:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200508310108.35620.jon@ffconsultancy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c22844d105083015564ebb1a58@mail.gmail.com>

On Tuesday 30 August 2005 23:56, Chris Campbell wrote:
> > Option (2) seems much easier and more useful to me. I've never cared
> > about skinning...
>
> Easier???  You'd need to build a complete event/messaging subsystem, a
> renderer, ..., a set of widgets and get people to ship it.

Yes. The event system is trivial in OCaml (thanks to closures), particularly 
because graphics are regenerated on the fly for OpenGL. The renderer is as 
difficult as you want to make it. Conventional GUIs do little more than quads 
and pixmaps. Making widgets isn't exactly rocket science, albeit somewhat 
tedious. If by "ship it" you mean package it up for Debian etc. them I'm sure 
people will volunteer.

> Plus it'd likely only run on Linux and BSD.

No. It would run on Mac OS X and Windows as well. Probably others...

> It's 
> not easier at all especially if it was to be anything like a modern
> day gui - think Quartz Extreme/Aqua or AeroGlass.

I'm talking about aiming low.

> it'd be
> better to rely on them for the gui and wrap it with something like
> your description of a "functional GUI" or bind to WxWidgets (or both).

I disagree. Static type checking could be leveraged for GUI code as it is for 
most other OCaml code. Writing correct bindings to libraries like those is 
just as much work as writing a toolkit on top of OpenGL, only you'd end up 
with their inefficiencies and instabilities.

If anyone is seriously considering writing bindings for Cairo from OCaml then 
I'd like to know.

-- 
Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd.
Objective CAML for Scientists
http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/ocaml_for_scientists


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-08-31  0:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-08-28 15:38 Matt Gushee
     [not found] ` <aefe758210f7fa0b9846b0ea4278cf3a@rouaix.org>
2005-08-28 23:21   ` [Caml-list] " Matt Gushee
2005-08-29 22:33 ` Jon Harrop
2005-08-30  4:39   ` Matt Gushee
2005-08-30 11:39     ` Yaron Minsky
2005-08-30 11:48     ` Jon Harrop
2005-08-30 12:22       ` David MENTRE
2005-08-30 13:45         ` Jon Harrop
2005-08-30 15:47           ` David MENTRE
2005-08-30 16:08             ` Jon Harrop
2005-09-01  4:25               ` Matt Gushee
2005-09-01 11:20                 ` Matt Gushee
2005-09-01 11:26                   ` Matt Gushee
2005-09-01 14:09                 ` Chris Campbell
2005-08-30 16:21           ` Bardur Arantsson
2005-08-30 17:47           ` [Caml-list] " David Thomas
2005-08-30 18:06             ` Tyler Eaves
2005-08-30 19:01             ` Jon Harrop
2005-08-30 22:55               ` Chris Campbell
     [not found]               ` <c22844d10508301553b54841b@mail.gmail.com>
2005-08-30 22:56                 ` Fwd: " Chris Campbell
2005-08-30 23:04                   ` Doug Kirk
2005-08-31  0:08                   ` Jon Harrop [this message]
2005-08-31  0:31                     ` Fwd: " Olivier Andrieu
2005-08-31  8:48               ` Feeding the OCaml GUI troll (was: Re: [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future?) David MENTRE
2005-08-31  9:06                 ` Proposal a GUI from Ocamlsdl Christophe Raffalli
2005-08-31 14:39                   ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2005-09-01 19:27                     ` Nathaniel Gray
2005-08-31 14:27                 ` Feeding the OCaml GUI troll (was: Re: [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future?) Jon Harrop
2005-09-01  4:49                 ` Feeding the OCaml GUI troll Matt Gushee
2005-09-01 13:15                   ` [Caml-list] " skaller
2005-09-01 13:28                     ` David MENTRE
2005-09-01 13:50                       ` skaller
2005-09-01 14:43                     ` Chris Campbell
2005-09-02  7:40                     ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2005-09-02 12:39                       ` skaller
2005-09-03 10:34                         ` Damien Bobillot
2005-09-03 12:30                           ` skaller
2005-09-04 14:08                           ` Richard Jones
2005-09-03 11:10                         ` yoann padioleau
2005-09-03 11:30                           ` Jonathan Roewen
2005-09-03 17:23                           ` Doug Kirk
2005-09-04 14:01                         ` Richard Jones
2005-09-01 19:23                 ` Feeding the OCaml GUI troll (was: Re: [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future?) Nathaniel Gray
2005-09-01  4:31             ` [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future? Matt Gushee
2005-09-01  4:17       ` Matt Gushee
2005-09-01 13:25         ` Jon Harrop
2005-08-30  7:16   ` GUI for OCaml (was: Re: [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future?) David MENTRE
2005-08-30  9:53     ` GUI for OCaml Christophe Raffalli
2005-08-30 10:28       ` [Caml-list] " David MENTRE
2005-08-30 13:04         ` Bünzli Daniel
2005-08-30 17:13         ` David Thomas
2005-08-30 11:18       ` Mark Shinwell
2005-08-30 14:22       ` Jacques Carette
2005-08-30 23:12         ` Pietro Abate
2005-08-30 14:14     ` GUI for OCaml (was: Re: [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future?) Richard Jones
2005-08-30 15:33       ` mmzeeman
2005-08-30 15:44         ` Jon Harrop
2005-08-30 22:34         ` yoann padioleau
2005-09-01  4:58           ` Matt Gushee
2005-08-30 16:01       ` Jon Harrop
2005-08-30 16:25         ` Chris Campbell
2005-08-30 22:49           ` yoann padioleau
2005-08-30 16:03       ` Chris Campbell
2005-08-30 22:31     ` yoann padioleau
2005-08-31  8:19       ` About Lablgtk2 (was: e: GUI for OCaml) David MENTRE
2005-09-03 11:41         ` yoann padioleau
2005-08-30 17:35   ` [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future? Olivier Andrieu

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