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From: Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com>
To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: GUI for OCaml (was: Re: [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future?)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:01:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200508301701.49824.jon@ffconsultancy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050830141430.GA16012@furbychan.cocan.org>

On Tuesday 30 August 2005 15:14, Richard Jones wrote:
> Lablgtk2 is a pain, but I think the pain comes from Gtk itself, not
> any shortcomings in lablgtk2 or ocaml.

Yes. My understanding is that lablgtk does a lot to hide the hideousness 
beneath.

> > However this is a huge task. [...]
>
> It is a huge task.

Depending on what exactly we're talking about, I think it is entirely 
tractable for one person, let alone a team.

> I'm not even sure what a "functional" API for a 
> GUI toolkit would look like.  Ideas?  Example code snippets?

I think the GUI code should be split into definition (i.e. how the widgets are 
laid out) and execution (i.e. what functions are called for GUI events). The 
former should be functional in style because it is easier to write and more 
succinct and the latter should be imperative in style because it is 
essentially poking a state machine about.

The functional definition could be a data structure that is folded over to 
accumulate the widgets needed by the subsequent event code. For example, 
consider a searchable list with a labelled search box, a scrollable list and 
a button to add new entries (off the top of my head):

let gui =
  `Frame [`Frame [`Label "Search: "; `Entry];
          `List;
          `Button "Add"];;

let rec make parent accu = function
  | `Frame l -> List.fold_left (make (Frame.create `Top parent)) accu l
  | `Label text ->
      let widget = Label.create ~text parent in
      pack [widget];
      `Label widget :: accu
  | `Entry ->
      let widget = Entry.create parent in
      pack [widget];
      `Entry widget :: accu
  | `List ->
      let parent = build_frame side fill expand parent in
      let list = Listbox.create ~width parent in
      pack ~side:`Left ~fill:`Both ~expand:true [list];
      let scroll_bar = Scrollbar.create parent in
      Listbox.configure ~yscrollcommand:(Scrollbar.set scroll_bar) list;
      Scrollbar.configure ~command:(Listbox.yview list) scroll_bar;
      pack ~side:`Right ~fill:`Y [scroll_bar];
      `List list :: accu
  | `Button text ->
      let widget = Button.create ~text parent in
      pack [widget];
      `Button widget :: accu

let [_; `Entry search; `List list; `Button add] = make top [] gui;;

You'd want to add a call to "pack" after each call to "*.create" and you'd 
want to have HBox and VBox instead of Frame but the basic idea is there. I 
can't see a good way to statically type such code in general so I've left it 
with an incomplete pattern match.

Perhaps we should start by writing such a wrapper that can target either 
labltk or lablgtk?

-- 
Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd.
Objective CAML for Scientists
http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/ocaml_for_scientists


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-08-30 16:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-08-28 15:38 Does LablTk have a future? Matt Gushee
     [not found] ` <aefe758210f7fa0b9846b0ea4278cf3a@rouaix.org>
2005-08-28 23:21   ` [Caml-list] " Matt Gushee
2005-08-29 22:33 ` Jon Harrop
2005-08-30  4:39   ` Matt Gushee
2005-08-30 11:39     ` Yaron Minsky
2005-08-30 11:48     ` Jon Harrop
2005-08-30 12:22       ` David MENTRE
2005-08-30 13:45         ` Jon Harrop
2005-08-30 15:47           ` David MENTRE
2005-08-30 16:08             ` Jon Harrop
2005-09-01  4:25               ` Matt Gushee
2005-09-01 11:20                 ` Matt Gushee
2005-09-01 11:26                   ` Matt Gushee
2005-09-01 14:09                 ` Chris Campbell
2005-08-30 16:21           ` Bardur Arantsson
2005-08-30 17:47           ` [Caml-list] " David Thomas
2005-08-30 18:06             ` Tyler Eaves
2005-08-30 19:01             ` Jon Harrop
2005-08-30 22:55               ` Chris Campbell
     [not found]               ` <c22844d10508301553b54841b@mail.gmail.com>
2005-08-30 22:56                 ` Fwd: " Chris Campbell
2005-08-30 23:04                   ` Doug Kirk
2005-08-31  0:08                   ` Fwd: " Jon Harrop
2005-08-31  0:31                     ` Olivier Andrieu
2005-08-31  8:48               ` Feeding the OCaml GUI troll (was: Re: [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future?) David MENTRE
2005-08-31  9:06                 ` Proposal a GUI from Ocamlsdl Christophe Raffalli
2005-08-31 14:39                   ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2005-09-01 19:27                     ` Nathaniel Gray
2005-08-31 14:27                 ` Feeding the OCaml GUI troll (was: Re: [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future?) Jon Harrop
2005-09-01  4:49                 ` Feeding the OCaml GUI troll Matt Gushee
2005-09-01 13:15                   ` [Caml-list] " skaller
2005-09-01 13:28                     ` David MENTRE
2005-09-01 13:50                       ` skaller
2005-09-01 14:43                     ` Chris Campbell
2005-09-02  7:40                     ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2005-09-02 12:39                       ` skaller
2005-09-03 10:34                         ` Damien Bobillot
2005-09-03 12:30                           ` skaller
2005-09-04 14:08                           ` Richard Jones
2005-09-03 11:10                         ` yoann padioleau
2005-09-03 11:30                           ` Jonathan Roewen
2005-09-03 17:23                           ` Doug Kirk
2005-09-04 14:01                         ` Richard Jones
2005-09-01 19:23                 ` Feeding the OCaml GUI troll (was: Re: [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future?) Nathaniel Gray
2005-09-01  4:31             ` [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future? Matt Gushee
2005-09-01  4:17       ` Matt Gushee
2005-09-01 13:25         ` Jon Harrop
2005-08-30  7:16   ` GUI for OCaml (was: Re: [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future?) David MENTRE
2005-08-30  9:53     ` GUI for OCaml Christophe Raffalli
2005-08-30 10:28       ` [Caml-list] " David MENTRE
2005-08-30 13:04         ` Bünzli Daniel
2005-08-30 17:13         ` David Thomas
2005-08-30 11:18       ` Mark Shinwell
2005-08-30 14:22       ` Jacques Carette
2005-08-30 23:12         ` Pietro Abate
2005-08-30 14:14     ` GUI for OCaml (was: Re: [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future?) Richard Jones
2005-08-30 15:33       ` mmzeeman
2005-08-30 15:44         ` Jon Harrop
2005-08-30 22:34         ` yoann padioleau
2005-09-01  4:58           ` Matt Gushee
2005-08-30 16:01       ` Jon Harrop [this message]
2005-08-30 16:25         ` Chris Campbell
2005-08-30 22:49           ` yoann padioleau
2005-08-30 16:03       ` Chris Campbell
2005-08-30 22:31     ` yoann padioleau
2005-08-31  8:19       ` About Lablgtk2 (was: e: GUI for OCaml) David MENTRE
2005-09-03 11:41         ` yoann padioleau
2005-08-30 17:35   ` [Caml-list] Does LablTk have a future? Olivier Andrieu

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