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From: Jon Harrop <postmaster@jdh30.plus.com>
To: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] kprintf with user formatters
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:41:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200407212141.45191.postmaster@jdh30.plus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200407211552.RAA04351@pauillac.inria.fr>

On Wednesday 21 July 2004 16:52, Pierre Weis wrote:
> Yes this remark is completely relevant:

I knew it. ;-)

> the built-in && and || 
> operators and the if then else construct (considered as a 3 places
> operator) are the only lazy constructs of the language.

Is "match pred with true -> expr1 | false -> expr2" not equivalent to "if pred 
then expr1 else expr2"? If so, isn't pattern matching a fourth lazy 
construct?

Just after I wrote that last post I realised that this approach could actually 
be useful in numerical contexts. As a trivial example, integer multiply could 
lazily evaluate its second argument (only when it is pure, if conventional 
semantics are to be preserved), not needing it if the first argument is zero. 
This may be useful in more complicated settings, i.e. when dealing with data 
structures rather than primitive types and when predicates over the data 
structure can be evaluated much more quickly than the corresponding 
expression.

Such functionality can, of course, be implemented in vanilla OCaml. But I'd 
like to see a language which allowed mathematics to be expressed in a 
notation as close to conventional written form as possible (although I prefer 
type distinctions, like "+" vs "+.") whilst retaining efficiency (I'd also 
like to see deforesting, e.g. in vector expressions without having to resort 
to maps, folds etc.).

Perhaps an OCaml -> OCaml optimising compiler would be a good project for 
someone? That way implementation details and their benefits can be examined 
without having to touch the OCaml compilers. I think it could be quite fun to 
play with such a thing...

Cheers,
Jon.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-07-21 20:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-30 16:32 Damien
2004-07-14 21:10 ` Pierre Weis
2004-07-15  0:17   ` Markus Mottl
2004-07-15  7:30     ` David MENTRE
2004-07-15  7:59       ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-07-15 23:35         ` henri dubois-ferriere
2004-07-15  7:39     ` Damien
2004-07-15 12:19       ` Markus Mottl
2004-07-15 12:42         ` Basile Starynkevitch [local]
2004-07-15 13:45           ` Markus Mottl
2004-07-15 14:22             ` Basile Starynkevitch [local]
2004-07-15 14:57               ` Markus Mottl
2004-07-16  6:47               ` Pierre Weis
2004-07-16  7:13                 ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-07-16  7:23                   ` henri dubois-ferriere
2004-07-16  7:44                     ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-07-16 17:56                   ` Markus Mottl
2004-07-19  9:17                   ` Pierre Weis
2004-07-19  9:32                     ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-07-16  7:21                 ` henri dubois-ferriere
2004-07-16 17:44                 ` Markus Mottl
2004-07-19 10:10                   ` Pierre Weis
2004-07-19 10:43                     ` Jon Harrop
2004-07-21 15:52                       ` Pierre Weis
2004-07-21 17:43                         ` lazyness in ocaml (was : [Caml-list] kprintf with user formatters) Daniel Bünzli
2004-07-22 16:28                           ` Pierre Weis
2004-07-22 17:03                             ` William Lovas
2004-07-22 23:00                             ` skaller
2004-07-23  3:32                               ` William Lovas
2004-07-28  7:26                               ` Pierre Weis
2004-07-28  8:06                                 ` skaller
2004-07-28  8:29                                   ` Daniel Bünzli
2004-07-28  9:13                                   ` Pierre Weis
2004-07-28  9:36                                     ` skaller
2004-07-28  9:38                                     ` skaller
2004-07-28 10:17                                 ` Jason Smith
2004-07-28 12:31                                   ` skaller
2004-07-21 20:41                         ` Jon Harrop [this message]
2004-07-22 15:39                           ` [Caml-list] kprintf with user formatters Pierre Weis
2004-07-22 22:16                             ` [Caml-list] lazy evaluation: [Was: kprintf with user formatters] skaller
2004-07-22 22:42                             ` [Caml-list] kprintf with user formatters skaller
2004-07-22  8:05                         ` [Caml-list] wait instruction lehalle@miriad
2004-07-22  8:40                           ` Olivier Andrieu
2004-07-22 10:35                             ` lehalle@miriad
2004-07-22 10:33                           ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-07-16  6:17             ` [Caml-list] kprintf with user formatters Pierre Weis
2004-07-16 17:14               ` Markus Mottl
2004-07-19 10:00                 ` Pierre Weis
2004-07-16  6:02       ` Pierre Weis
2004-07-16  8:42         ` Damien
2004-07-19  9:00           ` Pierre Weis
2004-07-16 16:52         ` Markus Mottl
2004-07-19  9:28           ` Pierre Weis
2004-07-15 22:20     ` Pierre Weis
2004-07-15 23:01       ` Markus Mottl
2004-07-16 16:17     ` james woodyatt

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