From: Eray Ozkural <exa@kablonet.com.tr>
To: Brian Hurt <bhurt@spnz.org>
Cc: Sebastien Ferre <sbf@aber.ac.uk>,
Ocaml Mailing List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Great Programming Language Shootout Revived
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:39:44 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200406190039.44804.exa@kablonet.com.tr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406181040300.4305-100000@localhost.localdomain>
On Friday 18 June 2004 18:45, Brian Hurt wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Sebastien Ferre wrote:
> > What about counting characters instead (counting several spaces in
> > a row as only one character) ? As most languages just don't mind
> > where you cut the lines, this seems to me a more fair measure.
> > Also, this would give complete freedom on the indentation style
> > without resulting in any disadvantage for the language rank.
> >
> > Just a suggestion :)
>
> Actually, the idea I like is to pick a standard compression algorithm- say
> gzip, or bzip2- and compress the files. This actually gives you a decent
> approximation of the amount of information the soure code contains- and
> entire sidesteps a lot of issues. In addition to newlines and indenting,
> it also minimizes the effect of variable name length. For example, the
> average name length for ocaml programs is probably a lot shorter than the
> average name length for java programs.
A note. This is an approximation of kolmogorov complexity which is regarded as
a universal measure of information content. In recent research, it was
observed that statistical compressors (PPM) do a little better than bzip2 in
terms of discriminatory power (ie. information distance).
Best Regards,
--
Eray Ozkural (exa) <erayo@cs.bilkent.edu.tr>
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Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-06-17 18:05 Brian Hurt
2004-06-18 1:18 ` Yaron Minsky
2004-06-18 9:37 ` Sebastien Ferre
2004-06-18 15:45 ` Brian Hurt
2004-06-18 21:39 ` Eray Ozkural [this message]
2004-06-18 6:09 ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-18 7:56 ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-06-18 8:59 ` skaller
2004-06-18 9:57 ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-06-18 10:48 ` Implementing DSLs in OCaml/CamlP4 (was: Re: [Caml-list] Great Programming Language Shootout Revived) Richard Jones
2004-06-18 12:32 ` Walid Taha
2004-06-18 15:38 ` [Caml-list] Great Programming Language Shootout Revived Brian Hurt
2004-06-18 17:07 ` David Brown
2004-06-19 0:26 ` Nicolas FRANCOIS
2004-06-19 9:04 ` [Caml-list] Benchmark suggestion (Was: Programming Language Shootout) Wolfgang Müller
2004-06-19 10:54 ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-06-19 19:38 ` [Caml-list] Benchmark suggestion Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-19 20:08 ` Brian Hurt
2004-06-19 20:16 ` Wolfgang Müller
2004-06-20 11:24 ` [Caml-list] Evangelism Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-19 11:18 ` [Caml-list] Great Programming Language Shootout Revived Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-06-19 11:56 ` Nicolas Janin
2004-06-19 12:51 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-06-19 19:46 ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-19 20:19 ` Brian Hurt
2004-06-19 12:09 ` Nicolas Janin
2004-06-19 12:48 ` John Hughes
2004-06-19 18:57 ` Brian Hurt
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