Re: [Caml-list] help

Re: [Caml-list] help

[mohammad siddiqui]

I already made it mutable. words is an array of structure  called "word". If 
I try to change the value as you told it changes tha values of all the 
elements of array "words". Thanks for your help in advance.

Mohammad S Siddiqui.


>From: Karl Zilles <zilles@1969.ws>
>To: mohammad siddiqui <writetosafi@hotmail.com>
>CC: skaller@users.sourceforge.net,  rich@annexia.org,  caml-list@inria.fr
>Subject: Re: [Caml-list] help
>Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:57:43 -0700
>
>mohammad siddiqui wrote:
>>Hello,
>>I am unable to change the values for an example How can I change the value 
>>od
>>model.supvec[i].words[i].wnum?
>
>If you make wnum "mutable", you can just say:
>
>model.supvec.(i).words.(i).wnum <- newvalue
>
>although I suspect you don't really want use "i" twice.

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Re: [Caml-list] help

[Jon Harrop]

On Friday 23 April 2004 3:31 am, mohammad siddiqui wrote:
> I already made it mutable. words is an array of structure  called "word".
> If I try to change the value as you told it changes tha values of all the
> elements of array "words". Thanks for your help in advance.
>
> Mohammad S Siddiqui.

I haven't actually done that sort of thing myself but asking ocamlbrowser for 
the interface information on Array.make gives:

>>>>>
external make : int -> 'a -> 'a array = "make_vect"
(** [Array.make n x] returns a fresh array of length [n],
   initialized with [x].
   All the elements of this new array are initially
   physically equal to [x] (in the sense of the [==] predicate).
   Consequently, if [x] is mutable, it is shared among all elements
   of the array, and modifying [x] through one of the array entries
   will modify all other entries at the same time.

   Raise [Invalid_argument] if [n < 0] or [n > Sys.max_array_length].
   If the value of [x] is a floating-point number, then the maximum
   size is only [Sys.max_array_length / 2].*)
<<<<<

"Array.create" is a depricated alias for "Array.make", BTW.

So if you're using either "Array.make" or "Array.create" to build your array 
then you're creating an array filled with references to the same thing. Does 
that answer your question?

Personally, I tend to build up a list and then convert it into an array using 
"Array.of_list". I guess the question is: are you creating an unecessary 
level of indirection by making the type of the elements in your array mutable 
when an array element is itself already mutable?

If you're still having trouble with your data structures then I'll run through 
it with you off the mailing list...

Cheers,
Jon.

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Re: [Caml-list] help

[Jean-Christophe Filliatre]

Jon Harrop writes:
 > 
 > On Friday 23 April 2004 3:31 am, mohammad siddiqui wrote:
 > > I already made it mutable. words is an array of structure  called "word".
 > > If I try to change the value as you told it changes tha values of all the
 > > elements of array "words". Thanks for your help in advance.
 > 
 > So if you're using either "Array.make" or "Array.create" to build
 > your array  then you're creating an array filled with references to
 > the same thing. Does that answer your question?

It is likely to be the explanation. More precisely, you should write

	Array.init n (fun _ -> { wnum = ...; weight = ... })

and not

	Array.make n { wnum = ...; weight = ... }

In the latter case, all array cells point to the same value.

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Re: [Caml-list] help

[Brian Hurt]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, mohammad siddiqui wrote:

> I already made it mutable. words is an array of structure  called "word". If 
> I try to change the value as you told it changes tha values of all the 
> elements of array "words". Thanks for your help in advance.

You can't "inline" data structures into other data structures.  The word 
array you made is actually, in C terms, a word * array.

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Re: [Caml-list] help

[mohammad siddiqui]

John,

I tried exactly what you have told. Its is fine when we just have one 
element in an array of words. If we have more than one, changing the value 
of one changes the values of the rest of the elements.

for example , if the test_model is initialiazed like this:

let test_model =
{ sv_num=0; at_upper_bound=0; b=0.; supvec=Array.make 2
{ docnum=0; queryid=0; costfactor=0.; twonorm_sq=0.; words=Array.make 1
{ wnum=ref 0; weight=0. } }; alpha=0. };

now if i change the values , it chnages all th elements of the array 
"supvec" in model

test_model.supvec.(0).words.(0).wnum := 1;

# test_model;;
- : model =
{sv_num = 0; at_upper_bound = 0; b = 0.;
supvec =
  [|{docnum = 0; queryid = 0; costfactor = 0.; twonorm_sq = 0.;
     words = [|{wnum = {contents = 1}; weight = 0.}|]};
    {docnum = 0; queryid = 0; costfactor = 0.; twonorm_sq = 0.;
     words = [|{wnum = {contents = 1}; weight = 0.}|]}|];
alpha = 0.}

Thanks,

Mohammad S Siddiqui.


it changes the values of wnum in all elements of model.supvec.
{ sv_num=0; at_upper_bound=0; b=0.; supvec=[
{ docnum=0; queryid=0; costfactor=0.; twonorm_sq=0.; words=Array.make 1
{ wnum=ref 0; weight=0. } }; alpha=0. };


>From: Jon Harrop <jdh30@cam.ac.uk>
>To: caml-list@inria.fr
>Subject: Re: [Caml-list] help
>Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:13:37 +0100
>
>
>I sent you this as an e-mail on Friday:
>
>The following types are a start for your conversion:
>
>type fnum=int and fval=float;
>
>type word = { wnum: fnum ref; weight: fval }
>type doc = { docnum: int; queryid: int; costfactor: float; twonorm_sq: 
>float;
>words: word array }
>type model = { sv_num: int; at_upper_bound: int; b: float; supvec: doc 
>array;
>alpha: float };
>
>The following line creates an example "model" with its values filled in:
>
>let test_model = { sv_num=0; at_upper_bound=0; b=0.; supvec=Array.make 1
>{ docnum=0; queryid=0; costfactor=0.; twonorm_sq=0.; words=Array.make 1
>{ wnum=ref 0; weight=0. } }; alpha=0. };
>
>I deliberately made "wnum" a reference so that it can be set:
>
>test_model.supvec.(0).words.(0).wnum := 1;
>
>If you want to do a really direct conversion then you probably want to make
>each of the fields in each of the records a reference (as I did with 
>"wnum").
>However, you may wish to exercise the functional programming side of ocaml
>and write functions which replace data structures, instead of altering them
>in an imperative style. Although this is unintuitive at first, because an
>imperative language would do lots of copying and deleting of data 
>structures,
>the ocaml compiler is very adept at performing only the changes which are
>made to a data structure...
>
>HTH.
>
>Cheers,
>Jon.
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[Caml-list] help

[mohammad siddiqui]

Hello,

I am having problem dealing with data structures in OCAML, I am translating 
code from C to OCAML. As shown below one structure contains array of other 
structures as its field. One of the guys here told me that we can’t “inline” 
structures into other structures in OCAML.
I don’t how to deal with this, I already spent like 2 days on it. Should I 
make use of objects and let some member of it array of other objects? I am 
not sure this will do the purpose. I really appreciate if anyone helps me 
out this.

For example if try to change the value model.supvec. (1).words. (1).wnum, it 
changes the values of all elements of the array model.supvec. I tried using 
references, mutable fields, Array.set function for modifying the contents of 
individual element.

The structures in OCAML are:

type word = { mutable wnum:int;	       (* word number *)
	     mutable weight:float };;	       (* word weight *)

type doc =  {
	      mutable docnum:int;              (* Document ID *)
	      mutable   queryid:
	      mutable costfactor:float;
	      mutable  twonorm_sq:float;
	      mutable   words:word array
	     };;

type model =         {
                        mutable   sv_num:int;
                        mutable  at_upper_bound:int;
                        mutable  b:float;
                        mutable  supvec:doc array;
			 mutable alpha: int array;

                       } ;;

The Structures in C are

typedef struct word {
int wnum;
float weight;
} WORD;

typedef struct doc {
  long    docnum;
  long    queryid;
  double  costfactor;
  double  twonorm_sq;
  WORD    *words;
} DOC;



typedef struct model {
  long    sv_num;
  long    at_upper_bound;
  double   b;
  DOC     **supvec;
  Double  *alpha;
} MODEL;

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Re: [Caml-list] help

[Jon Harrop]

I sent you this as an e-mail on Friday:

The following types are a start for your conversion:

type fnum=int and fval=float;

type word = { wnum: fnum ref; weight: fval }
type doc = { docnum: int; queryid: int; costfactor: float; twonorm_sq: float; 
words: word array }
type model = { sv_num: int; at_upper_bound: int; b: float; supvec: doc array; 
alpha: float };

The following line creates an example "model" with its values filled in:

let test_model = { sv_num=0; at_upper_bound=0; b=0.; supvec=Array.make 1 
{ docnum=0; queryid=0; costfactor=0.; twonorm_sq=0.; words=Array.make 1 
{ wnum=ref 0; weight=0. } }; alpha=0. };

I deliberately made "wnum" a reference so that it can be set:

test_model.supvec.(0).words.(0).wnum := 1;

If you want to do a really direct conversion then you probably want to make 
each of the fields in each of the records a reference (as I did with "wnum"). 
However, you may wish to exercise the functional programming side of ocaml 
and write functions which replace data structures, instead of altering them 
in an imperative style. Although this is unintuitive at first, because an 
imperative language would do lots of copying and deleting of data structures, 
the ocaml compiler is very adept at performing only the changes which are 
made to a data structure...

HTH.

Cheers,
Jon.

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Re: [Caml-list] help

[Henri DF]

> I sent you this as an e-mail on Friday:
> 
> The following types are a start for your conversion:
> 
> type fnum=int and fval=float;
> 
> type word = { wnum: fnum ref; weight: fval }
> type doc = { docnum: int; queryid: int; costfactor: float; twonorm_sq: float; 
> words: word array }
> type model = { sv_num: int; at_upper_bound: int; b: float; supvec: doc array; 
> alpha: float };
> 
> The following line creates an example "model" with its values filled in:
> 
> let test_model = { sv_num=0; at_upper_bound=0; b=0.; supvec=Array.make 1 
> { docnum=0; queryid=0; costfactor=0.; twonorm_sq=0.; words=Array.make 1 
> { wnum=ref 0; weight=0. } }; alpha=0. };
> 
> I deliberately made "wnum" a reference so that it can be set:

any reason not to make it a mutable ? 

henri

> test_model.supvec.(0).words.(0).wnum := 1;
> 
> If you want to do a really direct conversion then you probably want to make 
> each of the fields in each of the records a reference (as I did with "wnum"). 
> However, you may wish to exercise the functional programming side of ocaml 
> and write functions which replace data structures, instead of altering them 
> in an imperative style. Although this is unintuitive at first, because an 
> imperative language would do lots of copying and deleting of data structures, 
> the ocaml compiler is very adept at performing only the changes which are 
> made to a data structure...
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jon.
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Re: [Caml-list] help

[Jon Harrop]

On Sunday 25 April 2004 1:45 pm, Henri DF wrote:
> > I deliberately made "wnum" a reference so that it can be set:
>
> any reason not to make it a mutable ?

No good reason. ;)

I've just been looking at the assembler output from ocamlopt on this. I think 
that a mutable record field represents one fewer levels of indirection 
compared to a reference record field. On a contrived example, using mutable 
is twice as fast.

Comparing a mutable record field to a reference (not in a record), the latter 
comes out as slightly quicker in my timings. But I think this is 
insignificant as the assembler output seems to be identical.

Cheers,
Jon.

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Re: [Caml-list] help

[Andrew Lenharth]

On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 08:13:42PM +0100, Jon Harrop wrote:
> On Sunday 25 April 2004 1:45 pm, Henri DF wrote:
> > > I deliberately made "wnum" a reference so that it can be set:
> >
> > any reason not to make it a mutable ?
> 
> No good reason. ;)

Take a look at how it is implemented in Pervasives.
>From the manual:

type 'a ref = {
   	mutable contents : 'a;
}

So, yea, unless you like another layer of indirection, just using
mutable should save you a little bit.

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Re: [Caml-list] help

[Matt Gushee]

On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 01:53:48AM +0000, mohammad siddiqui wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am having problem dealing with data structures in OCAML, I am translating 
> code from C to OCAML. As shown below one structure contains array of other 
> structures as its field. One of the guys here told me that we can?t 
> ?inline? structures into other structures in OCAML.
> I don?t how to deal with this, I already spent like 2 days on it. Should I 
> make use of objects and let some member of it array of other objects? I am 
> not sure this will do the purpose. I really appreciate if anyone helps me 
> out this.
> 
> For example if try to change the value model.supvec. (1).words. (1).wnum, 
> it changes the values of all elements of the array model.supvec. I tried 
> using references, mutable fields, Array.set function for modifying the 
> contents of individual element.
> 
> The structures in OCAML are:
> 
> type word = { mutable wnum:int;	       (* word number *)
> 	     mutable weight:float };;	       (* word weight *)
> 
> type doc =  {
> 	      mutable docnum:int;              (* Document ID *)
> 	      mutable   queryid:
> 	      mutable costfactor:float;
> 	      mutable  twonorm_sq:float;
> 	      mutable   words:word array
> 	     };;
> 
> type model =         {
>                        mutable   sv_num:int;
>                        mutable  at_upper_bound:int;
>                        mutable  b:float;
>                        mutable  supvec:doc array;
> 			 mutable alpha: int array;
> 
>                       } ;;
> 
> The Structures in C are
> 
> typedef struct word {
> int wnum;
> float weight;
> } WORD;
> 
> typedef struct doc {
>  long    docnum;
>  long    queryid;
>  double  costfactor;
>  double  twonorm_sq;
>  WORD    *words;
> } DOC;
> 
> 
> 
> typedef struct model {
>  long    sv_num;
>  long    at_upper_bound;
>  double   b;
>  DOC     **supvec;
>  Double  *alpha;
> } MODEL;
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On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 04:30:56PM +0000, mohammad siddiqui wrote:

> I tried exactly what you have told. Its is fine when we just have one 
> element in an array of words. If we have more than one, changing the value 
> of one changes the values of the rest of the elements.

That's not exactly what's happening, though your example makes it look
that way.

> for example , if the test_model is initialiazed like this:
> 
> let test_model =
> { sv_num=0; at_upper_bound=0; b=0.; supvec=Array.make 2
> { docnum=0; queryid=0; costfactor=0.; twonorm_sq=0.; words=Array.make 1
> { wnum=ref 0; weight=0. } }; alpha=0. };

Okay, we can see the cause of the problem here: you are initializing an
array with Array.make, where the initial value includes a ref. The
resulting array will have unique members, *except* that each 'wnum'
field points to a single, shared ref value. That's the problem.


> now if i change the values , it chnages all th elements of the array 
> "supvec" in model
> 
> test_model.supvec.(0).words.(0).wnum := 1;

As you probably understand by now, what this is really doing is changing
all instances of the shared value stored in the 'wnum' field. Evidently 
that was the only field you tried to change, in which case it would
appear that all the elements of 'supvec' were being changed.

Here are three possible solutions:

  1. Make wnum a mutable field instead of a ref.

  2. Replace the array member instead of setting the ref:

       test_model.supvec.(0).words <- newvalue

     (but then I guess there's no point in 'wnum' being either a ref or
      a mutable field)

  3. Don't use Array.make to initialize the array. Instead, use a 
     recursive function that starts with an empty array, and adds new
     elements with Array.append.

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Re: [Caml-list] help

[Jon Harrop]

On Sunday 25 April 2004 5:30 pm, mohammad siddiqui wrote:
> I tried exactly what you have told. Its is fine when we just have one
> element in an array of words. If we have more than one, changing the value
> of one changes the values of the rest of the elements.

Sorry, yes. Now I come to think of it, it's kind of obvious that a mutable 
field in a record would also get copied. My fault. So we don't want to use 
Array.make to generate this structure...

How about using Array.init? This function takes the size of the array and a 
function which generates an element in the array given the index of the 
element within the array, e.g.:

# Array.init 4 (fun i -> i*i);;
- : int array = [|0; 1; 4; 9|]

So we get:

let test_model = { sv_num=0; at_upper_bound=0; b=0.; supvec=Array.init 4 (fun 
i -> { docnum=0; queryid=0; costfactor=0.; twonorm_sq=0.; words=[| { wnum=ref 
(i*i); weight=0. } |] }); alpha=0. };;

  val test_model : model =
  {sv_num = 0; at_upper_bound = 0; b = 0.;
   supvec =
    [|{docnum = 0; queryid = 0; costfactor = 0.; twonorm_sq = 0.;
       words = [|{wnum = {contents = 0}; weight = 0.}|]};
      {docnum = 0; queryid = 0; costfactor = 0.; twonorm_sq = 0.;
       words = [|{wnum = {contents = 1}; weight = 0.}|]};
      {docnum = 0; queryid = 0; costfactor = 0.; twonorm_sq = 0.;
       words = [|{wnum = {contents = 4}; weight = 0.}|]};
      {docnum = 0; queryid = 0; costfactor = 0.; twonorm_sq = 0.;
       words = [|{wnum = {contents = 9}; weight = 0.}|]}|];
   alpha = 0.}

HTH!

Cheers,
Jon.

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Re: [Caml-list] help

[Matt Gushee]

On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 06:06:23PM +0100, Jon Harrop wrote:
> On Sunday 25 April 2004 5:30 pm, mohammad siddiqui wrote:
> > I tried exactly what you have told. Its is fine when we just have one
> > element in an array of words. If we have more than one, changing the value
> > of one changes the values of the rest of the elements.
> 
> Sorry, yes. Now I come to think of it, it's kind of obvious that a mutable 
> field in a record would also get copied.

Yes, a mutable field *or* a ref (which invalidates one of the solutions
I suggested). Actually, a ref is just a predefined record type that has a 
mutable field and is supported with a special assignment operator.

  # let wnum = { contents = 0 };;
  val wnum : int ref = {contents = 0}

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Re: [Caml-list] help

[skaller]

On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 02:30, mohammad siddiqui wrote:
> John,
> 
> I tried exactly what you have told. Its is fine when we just have one 
> element in an array of words. If we have more than one, changing the value 
> of one changes the values of the rest of the elements.

I suggest you first try a *purely functional* approach.
The reason is: its easier! It will work exactly as you expect,
no suprises .. I promise <g>.

Get rid of references and mutable fields. Forget efficiency
concerns at this time.

Here is how to make a doc, containing words, where i have
simplified the data structures to demonstrate:

type wrd = string
type doc = { id:int; words: wrd list }

let add_word d w= { d with words = w::d.words }

(* NOTE: functional update syntactic sugar saves 
explicitly copying each field .. unmentioned fields
get copied automatically *)

let empty = { id=99; words=[] }
let d = ref empty
;;

List.iter
(fun w -> d := add_word !d w)
["Hello";"This";"is";"a";"Document";"of";"words"]
;;

List.iter print_endline (!d.words)
;;


Note here i AM using a reference to hold the doc,
but the technique of adding a word to a doc
is purely functional: you get a brand new doc
for every word you add.

EXERCISE: use a fold to get rid of the 'd' variable,
making this little program *purely* functional
(up to the printing part anyhow :D

QUESTION: how fast is the functional technique
compared with using mutable fields or references
to modify a data structure in place??

I don't know the answer . but I'm going to GUESS.
The functional technique is 10% FASTER!

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[Caml-list] help

[mohammad siddiqui]

Hello,
I am involved in a conversion project, where we  are translating programs 
from C
to ocaml. I am having hardtime dealing with pointers. One of the structures
contains a pointer to a structure as one of its fields, which in turns 
contains
a pointer to another structure, I replaced this by using arrays in ocaml but 
I
am not able to make changes to inner structures fields (using Array.set ) if 
i
do so it changes the values of all the elements of that array.
  Can any one help resolving this?  The structures in C are below:


typedef struct word {
  FNUM    wnum;	               /* word number */
  FVAL    weight;              /* word weight */
} WORD;



typedef struct doc {
  long    docnum;              /* Document ID. This has to be the position 
of
                                  the document in the training set array. */
  long    queryid;
  double  costfactor;
  double  twonorm_sq;
  WORD    *words;              /* The words/values in the document by */
                                    /*increasing word-number. I replaced 
this by
an   array in ocaml*/
} DOC;



typedef struct model {
  long    sv_num;
  long    at_upper_bound;
  double  b;
  DOC     **supvec;  /* I replaced this by array of type doc in ocaml */
  double  *alpha;

} MODEL;



I am unable to change the values for an example How can I change the value 
od
model.supvec[i].words[i].wnum?

Thanks,

Mohammad S Siddiqui.

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Re: [Caml-list] help

[Karl Zilles]

mohammad siddiqui wrote:
> Hello,
> I am unable to change the values for an example How can I change the 
> value od
> model.supvec[i].words[i].wnum?

If you make wnum "mutable", you can just say:

model.supvec.(i).words.(i).wnum <- newvalue

although I suspect you don't really want use "i" twice.

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Re: [Caml-list] help

[mohammad siddiqui]

Hi,
I started the conversion project after completely getting hold of ocaml but 
I still have some concerns like how we can manage pinters and pointer to 
pointers, some functions in C like exit(), isspace().
The project is to convert a tool used in text classification from C to 
Coaml.
Thanks,

Mohammad S Siddiqui


>From: Richard Jones <rich@annexia.org>
>To: mohammad siddiqui <writetosafi@hotmail.com>
>CC: caml-list@inria.fr
>Subject: Re: [Caml-list] help
>Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 10:04:37 +0100
>
>On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 10:57:26PM +0000, mohammad siddiqui wrote:
> > I am new to OCAML. I Just started learning. I need to convert the source
> > code of an applicaton which runs in 4000 lines from C to OCAML. Can 
>anyone
> > help me how to get started? is there any good online resource which may
> > help conveting the code? i s there  any tool available which does this?
> > Since it is a functional language, it is rather difficult to replace
> > constructs like loops with recursive functions and assignments 
>statements
> > of structured programming language like 'C'.
>
>4,000 lines of C isn't a lot of code.  Perhaps it's better to do it by
>hand rather than looking for an automatic tool?
>
>Rich.
>
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Re: [Caml-list] help

[skaller]

On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 04:04, mohammad siddiqui wrote:
> Hi,
> I started the conversion project after completely getting hold of ocaml but 
> I still have some concerns like how we can manage pinters and pointer to 
> pointers,

Generally you don't need them. Here is an example: in C:

struct ilist { list *next; int v; };

In Ocaml:

type ilist = Cons of int * ilist | Empty

The * there means 'tuple' not pointer, in Ocaml
everything except an int is already a pointer.

>  some functions in C like exit(), isspace().

exception Exit
The Exit exception is not raised by any library function. It is provided
for use in your programs.

isspace is easy to implement:

let isspace = function
| ' ' | '\t' -> true
| _ -> false


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Re: [Caml-list] help

[Shawn Wagner]

On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 04:59:45AM +1000, skaller wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 04:04, mohammad siddiqui wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I started the conversion project after completely getting hold of ocaml but 
> > I still have some concerns like how we can manage pinters and pointer to 
> > pointers,
> 
> Generally you don't need them. Here is an example: in C:
> 
> struct ilist { list *next; int v; };
> 
> In Ocaml:
> 
> type ilist = Cons of int * ilist | Empty

This seems like a bad example, as you're just reinventing int list with it.

C pointers are something like ocaml references.

C: int *foo = &bar;
   *foo = 12;
   printf("%d", *foo);

Ocaml: let foo = ref bar in
        foo := 12;
	Printf.printf "%d" !foo
	
except that the value of bar won't be changed in the latter.	

> 
> >  some functions in C like exit(), isspace().
> 
> exception Exit
> The Exit exception is not raised by any library function. It is provided
> for use in your programs.

There's also the exit function, which does the same thing as C exit(), and
doesn't cause a message about an uncaught exception...

> 
> isspace is easy to implement:
> 
> let isspace = function
> | ' ' | '\t' -> true
> | _ -> false

\r, \n and some other characters also count as whitespace. The C character
classification routines (isspace, isalpha, etc.) are part of extlib.

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[Caml-list] help

[mohammad siddiqui]

I am new to OCAML. I Just started learning. I need to convert the source 
code of an applicaton which runs in 4000 lines from C to OCAML. Can anyone 
help me how to get started? is there any good online resource which may help 
conveting the code? i s there  any tool available which does this?
Since it is a functional language, it is rather difficult to replace 
constructs like loops with recursive functions and assignments statements of 
structured programming language like 'C'.

Thanks,

Siddiqui.

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Re: [Caml-list] help

[Basile STARYNKEVITCH]

On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 10:57:26PM +0000, mohammad siddiqui wrote:

> I am new to OCAML. I Just started learning. I need to convert the
> source code of an application which runs in 4000 lines from C to
> OCAML. 

You didn't tell use what kind of application is it... 

> Can anyone help me how to get started?

I tend to believe that such a conversion is primarily a waste of
time.... And more importantly, if you convert blindly, you will get
ugly (and hardly maintainable) Ocaml code. You'll probably get an
Ocaml program as big as the original C source.

A more practical alternative might be to consider your lower C
routines as building blocks, ie to interface each of your (few) lower
C routines to Ocaml, and to recode the higher part of the application
in Ocaml.


You could also try to implement the same algorithms in Ocaml.


For completeness, you could translate your C code into an ugly,
unmaintainable Ocaml mess using references for C variables and mutable
fields all over the place. But the code will be shameful and you won't
learn anything doing it.


I strongly suggest - if you want to learn Ocaml :

  first, to learn to code thru some basic (100 lines) programs -
  learning how to use tail recursion and avoiding mutable data (and more
  generally limiting side effects).

  then, reimplement your 4000 C line program, starting from a
  highlevel abstract view of the algorithm (not from the C source);
  I'll bet you should get an Ocaml program smaller than 2000 lines.

  There are many interesting books & online resources to learn Ocaml.

Starting by translating a C program into any better language is a bad way
to learn this better language (whatever the better language is).

Regards.

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Re: [Caml-list] help

[Richard Jones]

On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 10:57:26PM +0000, mohammad siddiqui wrote:
> I am new to OCAML. I Just started learning. I need to convert the source 
> code of an applicaton which runs in 4000 lines from C to OCAML. Can anyone 
> help me how to get started? is there any good online resource which may 
> help conveting the code? i s there  any tool available which does this?
> Since it is a functional language, it is rather difficult to replace 
> constructs like loops with recursive functions and assignments statements 
> of structured programming language like 'C'.

4,000 lines of C isn't a lot of code.  Perhaps it's better to do it by
hand rather than looking for an automatic tool?

Rich.

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[ÀîÒÇ]

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could anybody tell me  what does  "self type can not escape its class" mean?

my function is
let test (mat: #seq array) = let result = Array.make 10 mat.(0) in result


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Re: [Caml-list] help

[Alessandro Baretta]

ÀîÒÇ wrote:
> could anybody tell me what does "self type can not escape its class" mean?
> 
> my function is
> let test (mat: #seq array) = let result = Array.make 10 mat.(0) in result

There is no problem with test. How did you define class seq?

Alex

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