From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id IAA00295; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:47:13 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00504 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:47:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from calmail-cl.berkeley.edu (mailfarm.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.61.106]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3F6lAYM011347 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:47:11 +0200 Received: from [64.162.212.212] (HELO tallman.kefka.frap.net) by calmail-cl.berkeley.edu (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with SMTP id 16943018; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:47:10 -0700 Received: by tallman.kefka.frap.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:46:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:46:18 -0700 From: Kenneth Knowles To: David Brown Cc: "Brandon J. Van Every" , caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] BSD vs. GPL Message-ID: <20040415064618.GA24941@tallman.kefka.frap.net> References: <20040414061600.GA25717@tallman.kefka.frap.net> <20040414084028.GA26285@tallman.kefka.frap.net> <20040414171429.GA5773@davidb.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040414171429.GA5773@davidb.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Miltered: at concorde by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; knowles:99 caml-list:01 gpl:01 2004:99 2004:99 knowles:99 autoconf:01 installer:01 ocaml:01 ocaml:01 0700,:01 0700,:01 comparison:02 wrote:03 wrote:03 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk X-Keywords: X-UID: 367 On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 10:14:29AM -0700, David Brown wrote: > On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 01:40:28AM -0700, Kenneth Knowles wrote: > > > Advanced package management is not particularly critical, however. > > After countless years of windows, 2 years of Slackware, and about a > > year of Gentoo, I'd say it only saves maybe an hour or two per month. > > (I'm using Windows and Slackware as examples of systems with no > > significant automated package management: autoconf == wizard > > installer) > > Interesting argument. It would be hard to describe how much time good > package management saves me, since without it, there would just be many > things I wouldn't do. If I were to try and upgrade things as frequently > as I do now, I would probably spend 5-10 hours a week just doing the > upgrades. I see your perspective, and share it, since I upgrade constantly. However, I'm guessing it is the ease of upgrading that causes this, not any critical need for constant update. So I don't think it is a sound premise to include all of this time in the comparison. This risks getting off topic unless I mention GODI, the OCaml package manager. I use CVS versions of OCaml and many other libraries, so I don't use it. As a consequence, I can't use my system's package management either. It just means I don't get a new OCaml CVS very regularly, but this has little impact on my development speed or pleasure. Kenn ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners