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From: John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org>
To: "Brandon J. Van Every" <vanevery@indiegamedesign.com>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] BSD vs. GPL
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:05:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040414150510.GA16580@excelhustler.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <OOEALCJCKEBJBIJHCNJDCEPEHAAB.vanevery@indiegamedesign.com>

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 12:38:08AM -0700, Brandon J. Van Every wrote:
> Kenneth Knowles wrote:
> > Brandon J. Van Every wrote:
> > > I am not interested in Free Software as in 'free beer', I
> > > am interested
> > > as in 'free speech'.  And FWIW I'm on the MIT/BSD side of
> > > the debate.
> >
> > The primary motivation for much free software *is* FSF-style
> > idealism.
> 
> True.  And I can't stand those people.

Ah, so you wish that everyone that released Free software did so under a
license that allow you to personally profit from it by including it in
your vaporware games, while simultaneously reducing the rights of the
people you give it to, compared to what the FSF-style authors gave out?

I have no problem using BSD/MIT-licensed software.  The software *I*
write is *all* under the GPL, because I want to guarantee everyone the
same rights to use, modify, and copy it, regardless of where or from
whom they received it.

If somebody wants to use my code in a commercial project, they are of
course welcome to negotiate a different license for that with me.  I'm
not going to let them use it for free unless they comply with the GPL.

It seems that you want to have your cake and eat it to.

> Idealists think the programmer is supposed to contribute massive amounts
> of time and money for the betterment of all mankind.  (Remember, time ==
> money.)  Pragmatists think the individual should contribute very little,

You have managed to probably mischaracterize both positions to such an
extent that your argument is worhless.  To read about what you call the
"idealists", please visit www.fsf.org/philosophy.  As a hint,
development methodology has nothing to do with it; freedoms do.

> So, if nobody else is interested in OCaml package management on Windows
> for now, don't be surprised that I don't volunteer to be the first upon
> the sacrificial altar.  I only do things on an as-needed basis.  I'd be
> happy to help if others have similar needs though.

If you're writing commercial code, what use do you have for OCaml
package management anyway?  You'll just link all the packages in at
build time.

Package management is only useful for people that compile things from
source.  (OK, *marginally* for people that load libraries dynamically)

-- John

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-04-14 15:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-07 18:47 [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code John Goerzen
2004-04-07 20:37 ` Samuel Mimram
2004-04-07 21:05 ` Basile Starynkevitch
2002-01-04  0:43   ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-08  0:58     ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-08  6:24     ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-08  7:47       ` Oleg Trott
2004-04-08  8:04         ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-04-08  7:52       ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-04-08  8:15         ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-08 13:37       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 14:56         ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 15:14           ` Richard Jones
2004-04-08 15:26             ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 15:39               ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 15:58               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 17:59                 ` Jean-Marc EBER
2004-04-08 18:20                   ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 18:39                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 19:21                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 18:29                   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-13  6:15                 ` Trevor Andrade
2004-04-13 11:17                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 13:16                     ` skaller
2004-04-13 14:24                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-13 14:53                       ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 18:07                         ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI (was: Dynamically evaluating OCaml code) Christophe TROESTLER
2004-04-13 19:30                           ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 19:57                             ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI Christophe TROESTLER
2004-04-13 20:45                               ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  0:34                                 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-14  5:35                                   ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  6:00                                     ` james woodyatt
2004-04-14  6:21                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14  9:17                                         ` james woodyatt
2004-04-14  6:16                                     ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14  7:38                                       ` [Caml-list] BSD vs. GPL Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  8:32                                         ` Matt Gushee
2004-04-14  8:48                                           ` Wolfgang Müller
2004-04-14  8:40                                         ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14 17:14                                           ` David Brown
2004-04-14 18:50                                             ` [Caml-list] benefit of package management Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-15  6:46                                             ` [Caml-list] BSD vs. GPL Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14 15:05                                         ` John Goerzen [this message]
2004-04-15  0:20                                           ` skaller
2004-04-15  2:36                                             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-15 17:48                                             ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-14 10:50                                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI skaller
2004-04-14  1:04                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-14  2:52                               ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-14  5:14                                 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  6:53                                   ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-14  6:57                                   ` Kenneth Knowles
     [not found]                                     ` <407D2075.2070104@jollys.org>
2004-04-14 16:14                                       ` ocamlconf on Cygwin (Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake) Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14  7:50                                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-14 11:54                                     ` skaller
2004-04-14 16:49                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15  1:05                                         ` skaller
2004-04-15  6:34                                           ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15  7:33                                             ` skaller
2004-04-15 16:00                                               ` Kenneth Knowles
     [not found]                                                 ` <1082049025.20677.1250.camel@pelican>
2004-04-15 17:38                                                   ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15 23:58                                                     ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-16  1:16                                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16  6:31                                                         ` [Caml-list] build tools - good vs. fast, both cheap Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-16 14:38                                                           ` skaller
2004-04-16 15:16                                                             ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 16:12                                                               ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 16:17                                                                 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 16:39                                                                   ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-17  6:01                                                                     ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-17  6:25                                                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-17  9:19                                                                       ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-16 21:53                                                             ` William Lovas
2004-04-17  2:30                                                               ` skaller
2004-04-17  5:47                                                               ` Blair Zajac
2004-04-17  6:28                                                                 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 14:52                                                           ` skaller
2004-04-16 16:06                                                           ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 18:10                                                             ` skaller
2004-04-16 18:43                                                               ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 19:55                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-16 18:46                                                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-16 18:55                                                                 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 20:22                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-16 19:39                                                               ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 21:00                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-15  9:47                                           ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Markus Mottl
2004-04-15 16:38                                             ` skaller
2004-04-16  1:30                                               ` Richard Cole
2004-04-16 14:11                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-15  1:25                                         ` skaller
2004-04-14 12:19                                     ` skaller
2004-04-14 18:21                                       ` [Caml-list] recompiling bytecode Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14 18:54                                         ` John Goerzen
2004-04-14 20:26                                           ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-14 20:35                                         ` Basile Starynkevitch
2004-04-15  1:39                                         ` skaller
2004-04-14 13:03                                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-14 12:45                                 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 15:03                       ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Matt Gushee
2004-04-13 17:24                     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-09  5:40             ` skaller
2004-04-08 15:30           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 16:08             ` Xavier Leroy
2004-04-08 16:44             ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 17:35               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-09  6:41                 ` skaller
2004-04-08 19:44               ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-09  6:23               ` skaller
2004-04-09  6:33                 ` Remi Vanicat
2004-04-09  7:37                   ` skaller
2004-04-09  8:17                     ` Remi Vanicat
2004-04-09  8:35                     ` OT: licences (was Re: [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code) Benjamin Geer
2004-04-10 10:10                       ` skaller
2004-04-09  8:36                 ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Markus Mottl
2004-04-10  9:59                   ` skaller
2004-04-09  9:09                 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-08 16:44             ` Bruno.Verlyck
2004-04-08 17:55               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-09 13:44                 ` Bruno.Verlyck
2004-04-08 15:31           ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 19:52             ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-25 23:07               ` [Caml-list] Is GCaml Dead Again? Greg K
2004-04-08 15:04         ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Fernando Alegre
2004-04-08 15:22         ` Jean-Marc EBER
2004-04-09  6:44           ` Pierre Weis
2004-04-08 15:23         ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 15:38           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 22:31             ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 18:28           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-08 17:15         ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-08 18:32           ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-09  5:04         ` skaller
2004-04-08 17:25       ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-08  7:10     ` Basile Starynkevitch
2004-04-08 17:09       ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-07 21:32 ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-04-07 20:39   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-07 21:47     ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-04-07 22:14     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-08  7:49     ` skaller
2004-04-08 19:11     ` Christophe TROESTLER
     [not found] ` <200404072306.15109.clement.capel@free.fr>
2004-04-07 23:25   ` clement capel
2004-04-13 21:25     ` [Caml-list] eval for OCaml Brock
2004-04-08  0:17 ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 17:31 ` Walid Taha

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