From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id UAA32464; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:03:18 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA32408 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:03:16 +0100 (MET) X-SPAM-Warning: Sending machine is listed in blackholes.five-ten-sg.com Received: from web41204.mail.yahoo.com (web41204.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.37]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i2KJ3kKW022130 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:03:47 +0100 Message-ID: <20040320190314.41744.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.242.201.78] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:03:14 PST Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:03:14 -0800 (PST) From: Vasili Galchin Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: Proposed community structure (was Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar) To: Ville-Pertti Keinonen Cc: Matt Gushee , caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr In-Reply-To: <26991CF8-7A71-11D8-966B-000393863F70@exomi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Miltered: at nez-perce by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 ocaml's:01 ocaml's:01 gcc:01 gcc:01 model:01 model:01 bug:01 faq:01 faq:01 beginner's:01 beginners:01 bin:01 kernel:01 caml-bugs:01 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk X-Keywords: X-UID: 274 Hello, The reason I mention these two names is because we started to "OCaml's Cathedral and Bazaar" metaphor on this thread. I am not saying these guy are panacea. I am merely saying that OCaml seems to be somewhat directionless and there are a lot of loose ends, e.g. existing code that has not been incorporated into the mainstream. On the other hand, there are also a lot of very talented people working on/using OCaml. I would sincerely like to see OCaml get more into industry. Regards, Vasili --- Ville-Pertti Keinonen wrote: > > On Mar 20, 2004, at 8:49 AM, Vasili Galchin wrote: > > I'm not sure what you're presenting these names as > examples of, but > IMHO... > > > Linus Torvalds > > He's done good job maintaining the Linux kernel, but > maybe wouldn't be > that good of a compiler-writer (probably just lack > of experience in > that area), see e.g.: > > http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2002-08/msg00544.html > > The single lead developer model is a good > development model, though. > > > Eric Raymond ... > > It's nice to have someone extroverted speak for you > when you agree with > him, but people who feel a need to insult those that > don't agree with > them (see http://www.catb.org/~esr/aim/ for a > non-technical example) > are probably not the most trustworthy > community-builders... > > If anything, the OCaml developers seem like one of > the most reasonable > groups of developers I've seen (not that I've > actually seen any of them > in person). The core works well, and its > development methods seem to > be working. > > As for the community/library side...planning on > committees or on the > lack thereof is probably premature. Successful > communities don't seem > to organize by planning, but by accident. Once > there is sufficient > weight behind the effort, that's when it should be > evident what needs > to be adjusted; nothing needs to be set in stone > from the start. > > Personally, I don't think becoming popular is > important, or that > something has failed if it doesn't. Besides, OCaml > actually already > seems to be gaining quite a bit of attention. > > ------------------- > To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr > Archives: http://caml.inria.fr > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: > http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners