From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id CAA02272; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 02:08:15 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA02456 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 02:08:14 +0100 (MET) Received: from swordfish.cs.caltech.edu (swordfish.cs.caltech.edu [131.215.44.124]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2J18gKW032343 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 02:08:43 +0100 Received: from orchestra.cs.caltech.edu (orchestra.cs.caltech.edu [131.215.44.20]) by swordfish.cs.caltech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C56DF2EF; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:08:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by orchestra.cs.caltech.edu (Postfix, from userid 2554) id 2C4EE9BBA2; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:08:10 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Vanier To: jfc@mit.edu Cc: caml-list@inria.fr In-reply-to: <200403182010.i2IKAK1a008157@nerd-xing.mit.edu> (message from John Carr on Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:10:20 -0500) Subject: Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library) References: <200403182010.i2IKAK1a008157@nerd-xing.mit.edu> Message-Id: <20040319010810.2C4EE9BBA2@orchestra.cs.caltech.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:08:10 -0800 (PST) X-Miltered: at nez-perce by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; vanier:01 mvanier:01 ocaml's:01 caml-list:01 run-time:01 2004:99 jfc:01 bug:01 bug:01 analogy:01 ocaml:01 ocaml:01 caltech:01 complexity:02 unix:02 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk X-Keywords: X-UID: 192 > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:10:20 -0500 > From: John Carr > > > > > 1. Nobody else knows the language. > > > 2. It doesn't run on our platform. > > > 3. It will break and we can't get support. > > > > Point 1 => same problem as with Linux about ten years ago > > > > Point 2 => really not running on that platform? > > > > Point 3 => The INRIA-cathedral will help to prevent this problem > > in the sense of "we do not allow any hacker to make > > changes in the core language" > > Suppose we find a bug in ocaml that impacts our product. > Whose job is it to fix the bug? Neither "a network of > hackers" nor "some academic researchers in France, if they > have the time" is an acceptable answer. We pay a company > to provide us with an embedded Linux environment including > cross-compilation tools. While in reality ocaml will be > more reliable than g++ due to the vast difference in > complexity, that doesn't overcome the fear. > > Consider points 2 and 3 as axioms. They were dictated to > me by management and were not subject to debate. As long > as there is a shadow of a doubt about support, ocaml won't > be used where I work. > Sounds like there may be an opportunity for people who want to provide for-profit support for ocaml projects. I suspect that the idea of getting paid to work in ocaml would be highly appealing to most of the people on this list. An analogy would be to the early Linux distributions (e.g. Slackware). Mike ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners