From: Markus Mottl <markus@oefai.at>
To: Oleg Trott <oleg_trott@columbia.edu>
Cc: OCaml <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Matrix libraries
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:01:23 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031215100123.GB14959@fichte.ai.univie.ac.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200312141810.58462.oleg_trott@columbia.edu>
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003, Oleg Trott wrote:
> On Sunday 14 December 2003 10:01 am, Markus Mottl wrote:
> > In any case, LACAML is supposed to stay a low-level interface to
> > BLAS/LAPACK.
>
> The $1e6 quesion: do you want the library to be safe from user abuse, i.e.
> no function input should result in corrupted memory ?
Yes, absolutely! That's why I think that checking all parameters before
passing them to LAPACK is a necessity even if it is a bit tedious
to implement considering the huge number of arguments that some
LAPACK-functions take.
> Thanks for the link! CamlFloat isn't even in Google yet. It must be new. Are
> there others?
Yes, CamlFloat is fairly new. I don't know whether there are
others. Interfacing BLAS/LAPACK is not for the fainthearted: it has tons
of functions each with lots of parameters of various types so it's a
bit boring to do and very easy to make mistakes. Most people probably
don't have the patience for this.
CamlFloat definitely seems to aim at professional use so I expect that
it may become the library of choice for linear algebra, my library acting
as convenient low-level interface.
> Some of this error-handling like checking that input matrices/vectors have
> compatible sizes seems tedious (and error-prone), and I think it can be
> auto-generated from parsing *.f files (including comments) But, yes, maybe
> it's too hard and not worth the effort.
By relying on as much abstraction as possible, the effort of parameter
checking can be reduced to a reasonable level. Using existing functions as
guideline, it most often shouldn't take longer than an hour to implement
and test new LAPACK-functions. Due to the macro system, this automatically
covers alls four kinds of functions (S/D/C/Z).
> Each thread oviously needs its own workspace. I think this can be done using
>
> (int * vec ref) list ref (* int = id (self ()) *)
>
> association list (or hash table). Now, "get", "resize", etc. could check if
> the thread has its workspace and return it, allocating if necessary.
>
> I think there is a problem with this approach though: each thread's workspace
> needs to be removed once the thread terminates. OCaml has at_exit but no
> at_thread_exit that I can find (Maybe it can be defined using
> Sys.set_signal's ?)
Well, there is always the tension between convenience and simplicity. I
think that features like this should be added in a separate layer.
> > I had indeed thought about this, but that would have made it more
> > inconvenient to people who want to keep accessing "a" directly using
> > the Bigarray-module and the .{}-notation.
>
> I think the inconvenience is minimal:
>
> a.{...} vs a.mat_data.{...}
>
> (and it's just typing)
And what about other matrix types like band, tridiagonal, etc.? You'd need
a discriminated union for this, which requires pattern matching. Again,
I think this should be done on a higher level - e.g. as in CamlFloat.
> But it saves you from the very error-prone and boring task of having to
> remember which variables designate which dimensions ("Is it m x n or n x k,
> did I transpose that?"), etc.
>
> OTOH submatrices/slices probably aren't the most frequently used features,
> so I haven't made up my mind as to which is better.
Exactly. I think that libraries should attempt to optimize for the likely
cases. And a low-level library, which is mainly used by other libraries
again, should IMHO not go overboard with convenience for end users.
Regards,
Markus
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Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-12-13 13:51 romildo
2003-12-13 16:36 ` Markus Mottl
2003-12-13 21:38 ` Oleg Trott
2003-12-14 15:01 ` Markus Mottl
2003-12-14 23:10 ` Oleg Trott
2003-12-15 10:01 ` Markus Mottl [this message]
2003-12-15 17:05 ` [Caml-list] CamlFloat Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2003-12-15 17:14 ` [Caml-list] Matrix libraries Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
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