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From: Eray Ozkural <exa@kablonet.com.tr>
To: Matt Gushee <matt@gushee.net>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: Tcl/Tk and RH 9
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 04:20:53 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200308110420.53523.exa@kablonet.com.tr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030811004129.GB32383@swordfish>

On Monday 11 August 2003 03:41, Matt Gushee wrote:
> > GTK on the other hand, isn't the top notch toolkit out there. The
> > technically superior toolkit is Qt *grin*
>
> Hmph. I suppose. I personally don't care for it because it's very slow
> on older machines, and causes XFree86 to lock up on some. Then there's
> the licensing issue on Windows. But better-designed? I guess it probably
> is.

With GTK, I would worry about its object model, library design, hack-ability, 
platform-independence.... The design of gtk seems fairly "backwards" to me. I 
remember how bad the C++ bindings were and I don't think the situation has 
changed much. This is not to say Qt would be a better "choice" for ocaml 
because that too is designed with an imperative PL with a not-very-cool type 
system: C++. However, it is more effective in that domain as evidenced by 
existing code...

It is now going to sound "bold" to you people, but I don't understand why you 
can't write the ultimate portable GUI toolkit in ocaml itself. With a 
language as generic as ocaml it should be a no-brainer to efficiently 
abstract over peculiarities of windows systems.

Besides, you will find that the limitations of those C/C++ based systems will 
be severe. I can make an educated guess because I was designing an ocaml 
binding for KDE... If you decide on some kind of binding to a "high level" 
toolkit like gtk it's going to be some abstraction layer over black boxes 
with a lot of quirks, it's not going to be pretty.

Regards,

-- 
Eray Ozkural (exa) <erayo@cs.bilkent.edu.tr>
Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara  KDE Project: http://www.kde.org
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  reply	other threads:[~2003-08-11  1:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-09  2:03 [Caml-list] version 7 beta typing change? skaller
2003-08-09 12:10 ` Jacques Garrigue
2003-08-09 16:15   ` skaller
2003-08-09 16:33   ` [Caml-list] Tcl/Tk and RH 9 skaller
2003-08-09 16:59     ` Matt Gushee
2003-08-10 15:57       ` Eray Ozkural
2003-08-10 20:18         ` skaller
2003-08-10  1:43     ` [Caml-list] " Jacques Garrigue
2003-08-10  1:53       ` Alexander V. Voinov
2003-08-10 21:26         ` skaller
2003-08-10 23:15           ` Eray Ozkural
2003-08-10 23:24             ` Eray Ozkural
2003-08-11  0:41             ` Matt Gushee
2003-08-11  1:20               ` Eray Ozkural [this message]
2003-08-11  2:02                 ` skaller
2003-08-11  8:38                   ` Sven Luther
2003-08-11  9:41                 ` Christoph Bauer
2003-08-10 20:15       ` skaller
2003-08-11  9:17         ` Christoph Bauer
2003-08-12  4:14           ` skaller
2003-08-10 22:11     ` [Caml-list] " Olivier Andrieu
2003-08-10 22:45       ` Matt Gushee
2003-08-10 23:16         ` Eray Ozkural
2003-08-11  1:33         ` skaller
2003-08-12  7:11 [Caml-list] " Jason Gibson

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